29 thoughts on “C-19 Chat Post – June 23 2020”

  1. I heard this morning that Broadway will not reopen until January 3, 2021 at the earliest.

    I haven’t heard anything officially but I suspect there won’t be any “fresh” episodes of our favorite tv sitcoms and dramas for next season either. I suppose the season “could” start filming come January then the new episodes for viewing sometime in the spring into early summer 2021? Many years ago the actors did go on strike over the summer and that new season started late. I forget what month but I believe it started well before the New Year.
    I don’t see how tv actors could perform without social distancing. Maybe with fancy camera work filming scenes with one actor at a time?

    I wonder what Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy will do for the new season? They might be able to social distance the contestants and hosts with no studio audience and still play their games competitively. Just my thoughts.

    Up until now the tv industry has been able to entertain and keep the viewing public at home. But for how much longer?

    1. Some shows have already announced summer taping. We shall see. Some shows have episodes already shot so they can have a short season.

    1. I am as well. That is when my youngest and her entire family had a remarkably odd illness. All had dry cough that lasted a very long time. Antibiotics didn’t touch whatever it was. At least two kids ended up having to use nebulizer…..maybe three as I can’t recall but know daughter has it documented. This was all late feb through most of March. It was oddest cough I have ever heard and they all tend to have coughs. My oldest and kids had confirmed flu as did a niece and it was nothing like their symptoms.

  2. I’ve been thinking for quite some time Covid-19 was around earlier than the conventional wisdom. It’s notable that there was an unexplained uptick – not huge, but still – nationwide in pneumonia-related deaths (not caused by influenza) in January and February. Likely Covid-19, in my opinion.

    Vicki, the `new’ treatments are old medicines being repurposed: Dexamethasone, which is a corticosteroid, launched in 1961, has been shown to have a significant effect on mortality in severely ill Covid-19 patients; and Remdesivir, an anti-viral, never formally launched but used against Ebola among other viruses, has been shown to have limited effect on reducing hospital stays and mortality.

  3. The president tweeted the following a few hours ago: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1275381670561095682?s=21

    I’ve not commented on the political side of things. The notion that testing less will show less cases is wildly ridiculous. Robust testing allows us to know where hotspots are and to flatten the curve in those areas. Not testing as much is like closing your eyes and sticking your fingers in your ears shouting “none of this is real, things are getting better.”

    1. Well, All I can say is Yes, Indeed. Sadly, we do NOT have
      a president. Anyone with a brain could have seen what
      this administration would be like. Oh well, we have a chance
      to rectify this come November.

  4. Dr. Stupid,

    On another subject since you would for RMV.

    It looks like we have an extension to get our licenses renewed, however, applications for the “real id” are not being taken online.
    It is suggested that we renew our licenses as regulars
    license and then have until October to apply for the real id.

    Is this the case?

    Many thanks

    1. would => work
      My fingers simply will not type what my brain says OR
      y brain is fried and keeps sending the wrong signals or both!

      1. EXCELLENT!!

        Thank you so much for the answer. Much appreciated.

        So, My wife and I will do the standard renewal online and go from there. We certainly are not planning any travel anytime
        soon, if ever again.

  5. Baker speaks at 11. I think it is an important one but not positive. Still can’t hurt to listen

    1. Perhaps it’s about opening up the schools for the fall? Parents are starting to get vocal regarding that. Most want schools to open as normal as possible.

      Bring Kids Back MA – a coalition of local parent groups.

  6. In addition Dr. Fauci Dr. Hahan, and Dr. Redfield speaking about COVID 19 response on Capitol Hill at 11am today.

  7. I heard once fairly recently that the COVID was reported in Yuhan as far back as last August, but not confirmed.

    I forget if the recent Frontline episode mentioned that month specifically.

    1. You mean Wuhan. Don’t believe Frontline mentioned this. I have heard that it could have been there as early as October. But, the evidence isn’t definitive.

      Interesting results from protesters who tested for the virus after the protests. In Massachusetts, around 17,500 were tested, and 2.5% were positive. That’s relatively low. Suggests outdoor transmissibility is limited.

      Biggest concern is probably indoor bars with poor ventilation (just AC, for example), no physical distancing, and no masks. Texas Governor Abbott refuses to either enforce physical distancing and mask wearing indoors, OR close the indoor bars, casinos, and gyms. I don’t understand that at all.

      Keep in mind that our neighbor, Mexico, has a very different disease profile in terms of mortality. Nearly 50% of fatalities in Mexico are in the 45-65 age group. My guess is that many in Texas are of Mexican heritage with predisposing conditions, such as diabetes, hypertension, and obesity. Indeed, ICUs in Houston are now filled with precisely that age group. Similar in Arizona. Arizona has reported 42 deaths today, one of its worst days so far. Texas data is coming in and not looking good, either. I feel strongly that government’s primary role is protection of citizens. I understand that governors don’t want to shut down economies, but at least impose common sense rules and regulations.

      1. Thanks Joshua. If as you say that outdoor transmissibility is limited, then perhaps outdoor sports (MLB, NFL, etc.) could have limited spectators at their respective venues (50-75%capacity?) while the indoor sports (NHL, NBA) will still have to go sans spectators inside their respective “bubbles”.

        1. On second thought…maybe 30-60% capacity with as much social distancing in the stands and concessions as possible with mask wearing of course?

  8. While the Northeast is doing reasonably well, today’s nationwide numbers are alarming, yet again. See link below. We’re about to have a record number of daily cases as a nation this week. I simply cannot believe how bad it’s getting. Sure, part of that is due to more testing. And, the median age of those who have tested positive has come down from 65 to 35. BUT, as you can see from today’s data, deaths are back up to the level we saw 12 days ago. Hospitalizations and ICU usage are way up in parts of 12 Southern states, with several other states simply not reporting hospitalization numbers (shameful). Florida and Arizona’s death totals really spiked.

    Because there are so many thousands of new cases every day, even if only a small number get very sick, we will start seeing >1,000 deaths every day very soon, I’m afraid. Maybe even this week. Trump totally gave up. Never cared about it, which gave license to governors to do the same.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    Problem with the nonsensical approach is that it doesn’t spur a healthy and structurally sound economic recovery, at all. I’ve said this many times. But, my voice doesn’t resonate like a Harvard professor who crunched the economic numbers. So, I’ll cite him: Until you contain the virus, there is no hope for a full economic recovery, not even close.

    Two sentences stood out in Chetty’s study: “Unless you fundamentally address the public health concern, there’s limited capacity to restart the economy.” “We need public health efforts to restore safety and convince consumers that it’s OK to start going out again.”

    Good luck doing the latter with this indifferent administration.

  9. Professor Bar-Yam has been on top of the coronavirus crisis from day one, meaning late December.

    He doesn’t mince words, describing the current trend as a “terrible situation.”

    https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1275585816669171712

    If I had to guess I would say as a nation we may top 40k daily cases some time this week, and daily deaths will once again be over 1,000 by tomorrow or Thursday.

    This, my friends, was avoidable by implementing consistent measures which EVERY state should adopt regarding the initial lockdown and subsequent reopening. The federal system is fine for most things, but not for a public health crisis. The virus doesn’t recognize borders. Higgledy-piggledy, weak measures don’t cut it. Consistency has to be the clarion call. Reopen with strict rules in place so you avoid the chaos we’re experiencing.

    Practically all European nations have much lower caseloads – despite HIGHER testing rates in quite a number of countries – and much lower death rates. They’re able to contact trace, which almost ALL do systematically, isolate, and enforce physical distancing rules and regulations consistently. It’s not hard to do? But, it does take willpower, which Americans, quite frankly, lack.

    I simply cannot believe, for example, that Arizona officials allowed the gathering of thousands to take place this evening. Same thing in Tulsa. Same with the demonstrations for that matter – on all sides (BLM, reopen folks). Same with the indoor bars, casinos, gyms, etc … It’s inconceivable given how little containment most of these states had over the virus.

  10. Initial school guidance likely to be released this week. I’m hearing required 3 feet of social distancing for students as opposed to 6 feet…would be helpful in getting kids back on a more regular schedule.

    1. I assume you are somehow closely associated with school supers o r DESE? And three feet. I won’t pass judgement until I hear full plan

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