25 thoughts on “C-19 Chat Post – July 22 2020”

  1. Lexington has released its in-home plan. I am beyond impressed with the town. That it consistently ranks among the top few excellent schools in our state is no surprise. It did this in a way that does not go against DESEs request to wait until August but as a means to give its residents who are anxious for answers those very answers.

    As an aside, the post from the parent of a child in Fairfax Cty VA a bit ago On schools reopening was shared by the principal voted Massachusetts principal of the year.
    https://sites.google.com/lexingtonma.org/lpscovid19andremotelearning/home

  2. Trump’s pivot is conspicuous, given that just 2 weeks ago the WH message was “we need to learn to live with the virus.” WH must know something we don’t, or have inside data on how bad it is in certain states. How else to explain the 180 pivot?

    Mexico’s case fatality rate is very bad, and not getting better. It’s an outlier in this regard as in most countries CFR improved over time. Its hospital system is overwhelmed in some locales and inadequate.

    European cases are increasing across a broad swath of the continent. Not like ours, but still it’s noticeable. The Dutch may change their stance on masks. Haven’t yet. But, I predict a change in policy is imminent.

    I’m afraid my trip to London to visit my daughter just isn’t going to happen this year, unless there’s a dramatic turnaround between now and September. It’s truly depressing. My son’s mother is going to visit my son here in October no matter what. Quarantines here are not nearly as strict. He can’t go see her in the Netherlands, unless there’s a family emergency (death, funeral).

    1. Very sad with regard to seeing your family.

      Trumps pivot is unquestionably due to something and his history tells us there is a very good chance that whatever it is will not be good.

  3. One thing I believe we can throw out the window is the idea that the virus has weakened over time. Judging from numbers in Mexico, Brazil, and the Southern U.S. that appears not to be the case. In fact, analyzing deaths in the Southern U.S. it appears that the median age of recent deaths is lower than deaths recorded in the Northeast. This also applies in Mexico.

    1. News just said CA has taken number 1 from NY. It also said if it were a country, it would be rated 5. I don’t have a link and welcome anything others have heard differently.

      1. California hasn’t yet surpassed NY in terms of numbers of cases, but it will within 5 days.

        I don’t think any state will surpass NY’s death total. A lot of this has to do with mismanagement of nursing homes. I’m sorry, Governor Cuomo, for all of the good you’ve done there were very questionable policies early on and even through early April with respect to moving discharged Covid-19 patients into nursing homes.

        Massachusetts also did a poor job with respect to nursing homes. This is not, however, related to any specific policy Governor Baker implemented.

        1. Sorry. I had found the link but was setting up a new phone before a telehealth conf tomorrow so had not had time to post. My bad

    1. Thanks Joshua. Interesting to see Dr. Fauci standing right behind him in dead silence going along. No pun intended.

      And wasn’t the SB played on or near the very day in one of his early February press conferences?

  4. Do I hear correctly that the federal government is buying tons of the yet proven new vaccine and will determine where it is dispensed

  5. I heard that. The payment is not made though until the vaccine doses are delivered to the government. They have to do this with promising ones in order to be ready as soon as it is approved I think.

  6. Vicki, I think that there’s a difference in tallying cases. California only includes confirmed coronavirus cases, while NY (and MA and others) include probably coronavirus cases.

  7. I’m not disagreeing with you Joshua. I just have a problem with non facts so am trying to understand. Confirmed is confirmed and not maybe sort of possibly. It is like saying we had three tornadoes…one confirmed and two probably.

    These say confirmed. Is it an untruth? If so, Baring a logical explanation which may well exist, I basically am as disgusted with these states as other states that accused of the same

    https://imgur.com/a/qvRnfwH

    1. I need to make that more clear. I’m in middle of new phone hell so posted quickly. I absolutely do not doubt your comment. I have enormous respect for your knowledge of covid. My confusion is why states would not be uniform and why any state would post a probable as confirmed

      1. Agree on uniformity. But, our federal system won’t allow for it. Every state wants to do its own tallying and reporting. States cannot be coerced into a uniform standard, though they are urged to follow federal (CDC) guidelines.

        The vast majority of coronavirus cases and deaths are confirmed. But, there are some – especially among deceased individuals at home or in nursing homes – that didn’t get confirmed as Covid-19. Medical examiners used their best judgement as to whether these cases should be included. They are careful in doing so. Don’t let Governor DeSantis and others tell you otherwise. Today, for example, New Jersey removed two dozen deaths and cases as probably Covid-19, upon further review. States that are careful about their tallying do this adding and subtracting all the time.

        I’m trying to stay positive, so before the bad news of the day, first the good. Arizona and Florida may have peaked in terms of daily cases. Still high test positivity and still many new cases, but numbers are coming down a bit. The Northeast has seen a slight uptick in numbers of cases, but test positivity remains low.

        The bad news is death as a lagging indicator is rearing its ugly head throughout the South, but also in Nevada and Idaho. Well over 1,100 deaths today for the second consecutive day. At the pace we’re on we’ll likely see our 150,000th death by Sunday or Monday. It essentially only took 4 months to get to 150k. Try wrapping your head around that. I can’t.

        Mark Meadows said Fauci was wrong and misleading by comparing this pandemic to the Spanish Flu. Well, there are many differences. But, in terms of deaths we’re headed towards the same number, if not higher. Over an 18 month period Spanish Flu killed ~575k Americans. We’re at 146k today. I’d like to think we’ll not get to 575k because of preventive measures and vaccines. I hope so. But, nothing is certain in this world. The median age of Spanish Flu victims was considerably younger. However, it should be noted that in recent weeks the median age of novel coronavirus victims has been trending downward.

        1. So the ones that say confirmed are not or are. There are numbers below them that I suspect are the possibles.

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