According to Dr. Davidson Hamer, Boston University infectious diseases specialist, factors such as vaccine hesitancy, new variants, and the delay of vaccinations to children make achieving true herd immunity difficult.
Some experts now believe that we may never reach herd immunity at all.
I’m curious. And this may be a really silly question. If we require yearly flu vaccines, does that mean we can also never develop herd immunity to the flu?
And I’ll climb further out on that limb…..
I know we never developed herd immunity to the 1918 virus. So do we out undo significance in achieving herd immunity to the novel corona virus?
Climbing down from my limb now before it snaps
Joshua. My daughter was telling me of an Australian family in Tx who has been stranded there since the virus began. Have Australians borders been closed all this time to many countries?
Joshua would know for sure, but I believe Australia has been closed since the beginning of the pandemic.
I found this. It seems odd to me that with Australia’s VERY strict border policy from the get go that citizens would not have returned. BUT that said, joshua mentioned ridiculous prices for travel. And conversely mentioned 14 (I may have that wrong) flights a day into Australia. Something just isn’t adding up yet …I sure need to do more reading
Yes, Vicki. Australia has been closed to practically all international travel since March 2020. Inside Australia there is no Covid and they’ve not had restrictions since April 2020 – except during mini outbreaks, and even then the limits are localized and brief in duration.
But it was not closed the entire time for its citizens? According to my daughter….I have not seen the article…the couple she referenced are Australian citizens
Vicki, you are correct that herd immunity is something we’ve never achieved for rhinoviruses or influenza strains. Nor have we set that as an objective. The difference with the novel coronavirus is its lethality is higher and therefore herd immunity and possible eradication are desirable. We have more or less achieved herd immunity for measles, mumps, rubella, polio, smallpox (prior to 1980), etc …
That I absolutely understand. But then 1918 was deadlier and we never reached herd immunity….so hopefully, we can get to that level of control. I don’t know how long that took after 1918. I’ll have to look for that information.
For the second straight year coronavirus made a solemn day in the Netherlands – their memorial day, focused on the hundreds of thousands of Dutch civilians as well as thousands of soldiers who died at the hands of the Nazis – even more more somber. No crowds allowed in the Dam Square because of Covid-19. In the link below the first video is 4 minutes long and includes the wreath laying, taps, 2 minutes of silence (observed nationwide, everything goes silent for 2 minutes; to this day I find this awesome in the true sense of the word), and the national anthem. By the way, I worked as a waiter/bus boy at the 16th century Cafe Nieuwe Kerk, which is in the video. https://nos.nl/liveblog/2379398-nationale-dodenherdenking-afgelopen-van-duin-staat-stil-bij-verdraagzaamheid-en-vrijheid
Not the 1st video in the link anymore (it was, but they changed it). It’s the 4th video. You’ll recognize it as it shows the bearded King and his Argentinian wife, the Queen.
Moving to the point that it brought tears. Thank you for sharing this, Joshua
C-19 for 5-5 is ready.
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According to Dr. Davidson Hamer, Boston University infectious diseases specialist, factors such as vaccine hesitancy, new variants, and the delay of vaccinations to children make achieving true herd immunity difficult.
Some experts now believe that we may never reach herd immunity at all.
I’m curious. And this may be a really silly question. If we require yearly flu vaccines, does that mean we can also never develop herd immunity to the flu?
And I’ll climb further out on that limb…..
I know we never developed herd immunity to the 1918 virus. So do we out undo significance in achieving herd immunity to the novel corona virus?
Climbing down from my limb now before it snaps
Joshua. My daughter was telling me of an Australian family in Tx who has been stranded there since the virus began. Have Australians borders been closed all this time to many countries?
Joshua would know for sure, but I believe Australia has been closed since the beginning of the pandemic.
I found this. It seems odd to me that with Australia’s VERY strict border policy from the get go that citizens would not have returned. BUT that said, joshua mentioned ridiculous prices for travel. And conversely mentioned 14 (I may have that wrong) flights a day into Australia. Something just isn’t adding up yet …I sure need to do more reading
https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-restrictions/coronavirus-covid-19-advice-for-international-travellers
Yes, Vicki. Australia has been closed to practically all international travel since March 2020. Inside Australia there is no Covid and they’ve not had restrictions since April 2020 – except during mini outbreaks, and even then the limits are localized and brief in duration.
But it was not closed the entire time for its citizens? According to my daughter….I have not seen the article…the couple she referenced are Australian citizens
Vicki, you are correct that herd immunity is something we’ve never achieved for rhinoviruses or influenza strains. Nor have we set that as an objective. The difference with the novel coronavirus is its lethality is higher and therefore herd immunity and possible eradication are desirable. We have more or less achieved herd immunity for measles, mumps, rubella, polio, smallpox (prior to 1980), etc …
That I absolutely understand. But then 1918 was deadlier and we never reached herd immunity….so hopefully, we can get to that level of control. I don’t know how long that took after 1918. I’ll have to look for that information.
For the second straight year coronavirus made a solemn day in the Netherlands – their memorial day, focused on the hundreds of thousands of Dutch civilians as well as thousands of soldiers who died at the hands of the Nazis – even more more somber. No crowds allowed in the Dam Square because of Covid-19. In the link below the first video is 4 minutes long and includes the wreath laying, taps, 2 minutes of silence (observed nationwide, everything goes silent for 2 minutes; to this day I find this awesome in the true sense of the word), and the national anthem. By the way, I worked as a waiter/bus boy at the 16th century Cafe Nieuwe Kerk, which is in the video. https://nos.nl/liveblog/2379398-nationale-dodenherdenking-afgelopen-van-duin-staat-stil-bij-verdraagzaamheid-en-vrijheid
Not the 1st video in the link anymore (it was, but they changed it). It’s the 4th video. You’ll recognize it as it shows the bearded King and his Argentinian wife, the Queen.
Moving to the point that it brought tears. Thank you for sharing this, Joshua
C-19 for 5-5 is ready.