27 thoughts on “C-19 Chat Post – July 19 2021”

          1. I could only watch Half. I didn’t want to throw my iPad.

            My good heavens. And she is raising two perfect little witches to be just like herself. She is one very sick individual.

  1. I heard on the morning news that the UK is lifting mask and social distancing requirements even though Covid cases continue to rise.

  2. According to Dr. Monica Gandi, an infectious disease specialist at UC San Francisco, the federal and statewide approaches to not require masks for vaccinated people is sound, and demonstrates to vaccine-hesitant people the benefits they can enjoy after getting their shot. The concern is that taking away the freedom for vaccinated people to be maskless could further discourage those already reluctant to get their shots.
    A recent national survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation found that “a small but meaningful share said the easing of restrictions for vaccinated people made them decide to get a vaccine”.

    In other words, reinstated mask orders like L.A. County could have unintended consequences.

    1. Can you point me to where she said this please.

      I’m sorry but I have to laugh at this. I can say for fact that many people who are not vaccinated never wore masks if they could get away with it. The lifting of masks for vaccinated is a joke….no one in the general population is asking anyone for proof of vaccination. Basically, lifting masks for vaccinated simply allowed those who never wanted to west them to come out in the open

      Why in heavens name does she think that the numbers are going up?

  3. Philip. Dr. Monica Gandhi is a perpetual optimist when it comes to coronavirus. Laughably so. This goes back to March 2020. Even when things are bad, she says “oh, it’s not too bad, it’s just folks with preexisting conditions.””It will all pass, we’ll be fine.” Or, “oh, they’re just testing too much.” She’s not a hoaxer, but she comes close to it at times. I find her statements naive, self-serving, and not in the interests of public health. The only thing I agree with her on is that we should do our utmost to have in-person learning. But that’s where it ends as far as I’m concerned. I think masks and distancing in schools are not only fine, but can be done well, as two private schools in my neighborhood have shown.

    1. Agree. Except for In person learning. We all know that I believe we need to offer parents a choice. Putting unvaccinated children in a classroom with no distancing and not allowing parents any choice is horribly irresponsible. I’m trying to understand why in person outweighs remote, especially if there is a risk factor.

      Too many very qualified individuals have said we should have learned from last year that, while many students struggled with remote, many students performed better with remote learning. We didn’t because we only focused on the negatives….. which is sadly human. But aren’t we supposed to focus on what is best for all students?

  4. Remember I said the data in the UK suggest that about 35% of hospital admissions in the UK are partially or fully vaccinated folks. Well, that data was from several weeks. It’s much higher now. 60% of hospitalized patients in the UK are fully vaccinated!!! Story below. While most who are hospitalized are younger, therefore stand a much better chance of ultimately surviving Covid, this is a sobering reminder of how daft CDC is (I’m using the British word for silly or foolish). American policymakers and public health officials (Fauci included) are truly displaying ostrich behavior by thinking that this is now a “pandemic of the unvaccinated.” It’s a pandemic for all of us until it’s over. Full stop. Vaccines work well, but they ain’t perfect. And the more we allow unmitigated spread the greater the chance it will impact vaccinated folks in a negative way. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-60-of-people-being-admitted-to-hospital-with-coronavirus-have-been-double-jabbed-says-vallance-12359317

      1. Much appreciated. And I had to smile as Macs sister often used daft and it brought a warm memory

    1. Joshua – I think that you misread this article. It is a correction of an earlier misstatement by Sir Patrick Vallance:
      “About 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are not from double-vaccinated people, rather 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are currently from unvaccinated people.”

      1. Thanks, SClarke, for noticing this. I see that the statement has been corrected in the updated version of the article. But, please note, I didn’t misread it. When I read the article, which I double-checked at the time with multiple online sources like Yahoo and AP (since I was so surprised by it) it said verbatim that “60% of hospitalized are double-jabbed.” It was only later corrected. So, what you see now when you click on the link is the corrected version, not the earlier one.

        40% of hospital admissions being partially or fully vaccinated is still a high number, and may be replicated here in the U.S. as well, at least to a certain degree. Probably less so because we don’t have the time lag between vaccinations. This said, we have fewer in the >65 age category fully vaccinated. 80% compared to 96% in the UK.

        The 40% figure is more consistent with PHE and PHS figures. The number is rising, unfortunately, from 25% in an early June report, to 35% in an early July report, to 40% at present (includes partially and fully vaccinated).

        1. This is one of the weird things about getting our news the way that we do now. It used to be that a newspaper made a correction in a later edition, and probably most people never saw it. Now the article can just be completely changed, making some of the earlier comments to the article seem ridiculous.

          Add to that the way that news articles spread from one source to another, and you can end up with contradictions all over the place!

  5. Joshua, was I correct regarding the UK removing indoor masking and social distancing orders even though cases are still rising throughout that nation?

    1. Yes, that is correct. At least for now. No changes, however, to travel restrictions for overseas folks like me, still the same 10-day strict quarantine, and 4 Covid tests. While I am certainly accepting it at this point it is a bit weird, given that they’ve gotten rid of most other restrictions. Of course, who knows, America may be on the red list soon, which would mean I can’t go at all.

  6. SClarke, you are so right about the news.

    I appreciate you calling attention to the important change in the statement. 40% is very different from 60%, even if 40% is still a large number.

    Any information I convey to you all, or on LinkedIn or Twitter, I want to be as accurate as possible.

  7. If the U.S. follows the trend the UK began and Europe soon followed, we’ll see a weakened link between cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, but not a broken one. There hasn’t been much uncoupling between cases and hospitalizations (including ICU), but there certainly has been uncoupling between cases and deaths. This may follow from the fact that a much younger group of patients are being hospitalized, with a much greater chance of survival, even if Delta is more virulent. We don’t know yet if Delta is more virulent, by the way.

  8. CDC Director Walensky claimed on Friday that 97% of hospital admissions are unvaccinated folks. I must take her at her word. But, I am very skeptical. Perhaps this is obsolete data. CDC is prone to citing data from weeks if not months ago. In Israel and the UK the numbers of fully and partially vaccinated folks in hospital is ~35-40% and the percentage has been growing over time. Why would the US be that different?

    Don’t know the exact breakdown in terms of vaccines for UK. Also don’t know exact breakdown for partially versus fully vaccinated. Israel only uses Pfizer, and more or less has the same scheduling as the US (3 weeks between shots). UK uses AZ and Pfizer, tends to use same scheduling as US and Israel for at-risk and elderly, but not for others.

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