45 thoughts on “C-19 Chat Post – September 7 2021”
From Dr. Eric Topol:
“We have no national data for fully vaccinated people who have been hospitalized. In Alabama it’s 12%. We need to know more: vaccine, when vaxed, age, medical conditions, etc. The Secretary of HHS can mandate that data collection, but has decided not to. Flying blind is unacceptable.”
I agree 100%. This country is on the way to being flushed down the toilet. I am fed up!
Good morning,
May I rant a bit?
I saw a video on FB on a private page of my home town.
This guy had a meter that he professed to use at his job as an electrician. He showed it to the camera with a tube sticking in the air, showing no reading and no alarm. Then he placed a mask on his face and stuck the tube under the mask whereupon the alarm starting going off with him spouting how dangerous it is to be wearing a mask all day.
This kind of misinformation infuriates me to the point that I can’t stand it anymore!
There are so many wack jobs in this country, it is unbelievable.
There were enough to elect the brain dead trump. Wow!
This virus is NEVER leaving us. It will be killing for years to come and it is the nut jobs out there doing it to us!
Unbelievable.
I just left the group. Not in the mood to deal with a crowd like that. 🙂
I can imagine. Insanity.
I Left a group the two days ago for the exact same reason. It is beyond disgusting
Let it go ! You are a grumpy old man he makes people shop for you . Please tip well
Who
What in heavens name are you referencing
Me. Aidan does not agree with anything I have to say. 🙂
There is much about me that I think everyone is aware of…..I don’t handle attacks on friends well 🙂
UK PM Boris Johnson announced a 1.25% tax increase (effectively for all; though there is a sliding scale below a certain amount of income) today to help pay for the higher costs of the National Health Service as a result of the pandemic.
In a parliamentary democracy there is effectively no separation between the executive and legislative branch. So, it’s MUCH easier to implement changes right away, like the 1.25% tax increase. His cabinet has already agreed to it. There’s still a procedural issue of passage, but it’s mostly pro forma as the Tory government has a very sizable majority of MPs.
Worth a read—bottom line, breakthrough infections in well vaccinated communities are 1-5000, higher in places like the southeast that are less vaccinated—I’m some very highly vaccinated communities, breakthrough infections could be as rare as 1-10,000, especially for those who exercise other precautions.
That is 1 in 5,000 residents. How many break throughs are there in newly report cases?
I have seen that rate as high as 30%.
2 different stats, yet both accurate. It depends upon how one
wants to paint the picture.
To me, the 30% is more real. Up to 30% or more of the persons getting infected are break through cases. That scares the crap out of me. Of course only a small percentage of those 30% become seriously ill, which is a very good thing.
The 1 in 5,000 risk of breakthrough is a daily risk, not calculated over time.
More problematic is the fact that the U.S. doesn’t systematically track breakthrough cases. Nor does it systematically track breakthrough hospitalizations. So, we’re left guessing.
I sincerely wish the NYT and others would not resort to doing back-of-the-enveloped calculations, with sometimes dubious assumptions, and focus on rigorous analysis from Israel and the UK. In these two countries breakthrough cases and hospitalizations (and deaths) are tracked systematically on an almost daily basis.
I’m very close to ending my subscription to NYT. I have had the same thoughts several times lately that you expressed, Joshua
I lean toward JPDs numbers. I’d like to read the author’s source for viral loads being different.
It seems odd to me that the efficacy has dropped and countries are working feverishly on third doses if the first two are working as well as the author describes.
And am I reading this correctly…there is a good chance I’m not understanding the comment
“The vaccines make serious illness rare in adults, and the risks to young children are so low that Britain may never recommend that most receive the vaccine.”
On a macro level I feel that Americans are really not aware of how badly we’re doing in this Delta wave. We’re the worst affected among peer nations (similar GDP per capita) by a very wide margin. Many factors contribute to this, including vaccination rate, underlying health conditions, lack of timely testing, tiered healthcare system. During the Delta wave the U.S. has risen the death rate rankings (Covid-19 deaths per million) from 6th to 3rd place. We will soon overtake Italy and Belgium and be number 1 among peer nations. That’s a shameful record, and something the NYT and other media rarely talk about. It’s not as if we didn’t know Delta was coming (many stupidly denied it would have much of an impact, including the MSM like NYT), or we don’t have vaccines (we have an oversupply), or we don’t have a well-funded, modern healthcare system (we spend more per person than any other nation; now, whether we spend it wisely is of course a different matter altogether).
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We do not berate people or name-call on this blog.
Thank you !
I definitely try not to berate anyone and have never name-called. I can be critical of certain policies. If you’d like me to tone that down, I respect that. It’s your blog.
I will echo your comment.
You’re well into the safe zone.
The information you bring to this blog is beyond valuable…
If it were I, I am so sorry. I try not to cross that line.
If I slipped up, I apologize. I don’t recall referring to anyone here, but may have referred to some people in general.
In looking back over the posts, I have a feeling you may have been were to someone else.
Representative Jim Jordan said, “Real America is done with Covid.” I guess he’s referring to the 5% of counties that are not in the red zone (very high) for transmission. The other 95% is all varying shades of red. https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1435434234538254336
C-19 for 9-8 is ready.
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From Dr. Eric Topol:
“We have no national data for fully vaccinated people who have been hospitalized. In Alabama it’s 12%. We need to know more: vaccine, when vaxed, age, medical conditions, etc. The Secretary of HHS can mandate that data collection, but has decided not to. Flying blind is unacceptable.”
I agree 100%. This country is on the way to being flushed down the toilet. I am fed up!
Good morning,
May I rant a bit?
I saw a video on FB on a private page of my home town.
This guy had a meter that he professed to use at his job as an electrician. He showed it to the camera with a tube sticking in the air, showing no reading and no alarm. Then he placed a mask on his face and stuck the tube under the mask whereupon the alarm starting going off with him spouting how dangerous it is to be wearing a mask all day.
This kind of misinformation infuriates me to the point that I can’t stand it anymore!
There are so many wack jobs in this country, it is unbelievable.
There were enough to elect the brain dead trump. Wow!
This virus is NEVER leaving us. It will be killing for years to come and it is the nut jobs out there doing it to us!
Unbelievable.
I just left the group. Not in the mood to deal with a crowd like that. 🙂
I can imagine. Insanity.
I Left a group the two days ago for the exact same reason. It is beyond disgusting
Let it go ! You are a grumpy old man he makes people shop for you . Please tip well
Who
What in heavens name are you referencing
Me. Aidan does not agree with anything I have to say. 🙂
There is much about me that I think everyone is aware of…..I don’t handle attacks on friends well 🙂
UK PM Boris Johnson announced a 1.25% tax increase (effectively for all; though there is a sliding scale below a certain amount of income) today to help pay for the higher costs of the National Health Service as a result of the pandemic.
In a parliamentary democracy there is effectively no separation between the executive and legislative branch. So, it’s MUCH easier to implement changes right away, like the 1.25% tax increase. His cabinet has already agreed to it. There’s still a procedural issue of passage, but it’s mostly pro forma as the Tory government has a very sizable majority of MPs.
Worth a read—bottom line, breakthrough infections in well vaccinated communities are 1-5000, higher in places like the southeast that are less vaccinated—I’m some very highly vaccinated communities, breakthrough infections could be as rare as 1-10,000, especially for those who exercise other precautions.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/07/briefing/risk-breakthrough-infections-delta.html
That is 1 in 5,000 residents. How many break throughs are there in newly report cases?
I have seen that rate as high as 30%.
2 different stats, yet both accurate. It depends upon how one
wants to paint the picture.
To me, the 30% is more real. Up to 30% or more of the persons getting infected are break through cases. That scares the crap out of me. Of course only a small percentage of those 30% become seriously ill, which is a very good thing.
The 1 in 5,000 risk of breakthrough is a daily risk, not calculated over time.
More problematic is the fact that the U.S. doesn’t systematically track breakthrough cases. Nor does it systematically track breakthrough hospitalizations. So, we’re left guessing.
I sincerely wish the NYT and others would not resort to doing back-of-the-enveloped calculations, with sometimes dubious assumptions, and focus on rigorous analysis from Israel and the UK. In these two countries breakthrough cases and hospitalizations (and deaths) are tracked systematically on an almost daily basis.
I’m very close to ending my subscription to NYT. I have had the same thoughts several times lately that you expressed, Joshua
I lean toward JPDs numbers. I’d like to read the author’s source for viral loads being different.
It seems odd to me that the efficacy has dropped and countries are working feverishly on third doses if the first two are working as well as the author describes.
At the moment, I have a bit more faith in Israel
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/30/israel-doubles-down-on-covid-booster-shots-as-breakthrough-cases-rise.html
And am I reading this correctly…there is a good chance I’m not understanding the comment
“The vaccines make serious illness rare in adults, and the risks to young children are so low that Britain may never recommend that most receive the vaccine.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/25/pediatric-covid-hospitalizations-surge-to-highest-on-record-in-us-as-doctors-brace-for-more.html
On a macro level I feel that Americans are really not aware of how badly we’re doing in this Delta wave. We’re the worst affected among peer nations (similar GDP per capita) by a very wide margin. Many factors contribute to this, including vaccination rate, underlying health conditions, lack of timely testing, tiered healthcare system. During the Delta wave the U.S. has risen the death rate rankings (Covid-19 deaths per million) from 6th to 3rd place. We will soon overtake Italy and Belgium and be number 1 among peer nations. That’s a shameful record, and something the NYT and other media rarely talk about. It’s not as if we didn’t know Delta was coming (many stupidly denied it would have much of an impact, including the MSM like NYT), or we don’t have vaccines (we have an oversupply), or we don’t have a well-funded, modern healthcare system (we spend more per person than any other nation; now, whether we spend it wisely is of course a different matter altogether).
Here’s yet another sad instance in which someone was more afraid of the vaccine than the virus. And, it killed him. He was 58.
https://twitter.com/KelvinBSP/status/1435223453360136193
Some people just don’t get it and never will or if they do, it is too late. I WISH we could mandate the vaccine like we did with
small pox.
I thought we could not mandate. No clue why I thought so. If we mandated small pox, why in heavens name not covid. Or can we once approved?
I think we couldn’t mandate due to not officially approved. But now Pfizer is and Moderna soon to follow.
Perhaps they are awaiting Moderna and then they will pull the trigger. Hope so.
I hope so also
Helpful visualization, thanks to STAT News. https://twitter.com/rickberke/status/1435272728291028995
Not directly related to Covid (indirectly, though in terms of prices of treatments, like the monoclonal antibodies for Covid): https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2021/09/06/democrats-plans-to-introduce-prescription-drug-pricing-reform-face-obstacles/?sh=23d87a3a7395
REMINDER:
We do not berate people or name-call on this blog.
Thank you !
I definitely try not to berate anyone and have never name-called. I can be critical of certain policies. If you’d like me to tone that down, I respect that. It’s your blog.
I will echo your comment.
You’re well into the safe zone.
The information you bring to this blog is beyond valuable…
If it were I, I am so sorry. I try not to cross that line.
If I slipped up, I apologize. I don’t recall referring to anyone here, but may have referred to some people in general.
In looking back over the posts, I have a feeling you may have been were to someone else.
But I will be more careful none-the-less.
Idaho is a ground zero of sorts. Like many in March 2020 I assumed – wrongly – that rural areas would somehow escape Covid-19. Well, that was short-sighted. If anything, right now the worst affected areas are rural, like Idaho. https://apnews.com/article/business-health-coronavirus-pandemic-idaho-09941b507483a5c7b0183dcbf03a8254?
Seems Eric Topol is reading our blog…or just stating what is sadly obvious
https://twitter.com/erictopol/status/1433907516245569542?s=21
Ya think. Botched big time. NEVER expected this on Biden’s watch.
I honestly didn’t either.
I have no idea how to read this. Any takers?
https://twitter.com/erictopol/status/1435272196667031556?s=21
Full table for anyone who does not use Twitter
https://imgur.com/a/PD66kun
click on the link. it gives a pretty precise conclusion that tells you what you need to know.
Oops silly me. Very interesting. Thank, JPD.
Just a terrible situation in Idaho:
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/idaho-enacts-crisis-hospital-care-standards-amid-covid-79872485
Omg.
Just wrote about rationing in Idaho (and other places): https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2021/09/07/delta-surge-of-covid-19-is-forcing-hospitals-to-ration-icu-beds-in-parts-of-the-us/?sh=7f47ecf95841
I may drop NyT and pick up Forbes. I’m sorry I can’t read this. I enjoy your articles
https://twitter.com/wcvb/status/1435421445161689094?s=21
Representative Jim Jordan said, “Real America is done with Covid.” I guess he’s referring to the 5% of counties that are not in the red zone (very high) for transmission. The other 95% is all varying shades of red. https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1435434234538254336
C-19 for 9-8 is ready.