36 thoughts on “C-19 Chat Post – September 16 2021”

      1. 2,877 to be exact.
        New daily weighted average over the last week is 1,984

        https://ibb.co/wz54b9W

        From NBC Boston

        https://www.nbcboston.com/news/coronavirus/3919-new-breakthrough-cases-in-mass-32-more-covid-deaths-among-vaccinated/2491877/

        3,919 new breakthough cases in the past week.

        Daily average = 1,984
        Weekly cases = 1,984 x 7 = 13,888 cases in the last week

        Breakthough = 3,919 divided by total cases of 13,888
        would give breakthough cases as a percentage of total
        cases.

        Breakthroughs represented 28.21 percent of the new cases.

        this 1 in 5,000 business is meaningless imho

        I am sorry, but that is an ALARMING rate of breakthrough cases. Very alarming.

        1. Thank you, JPD, for your detailed and easy to follow explanation. I sure agree both the numbers and that nearly one third is breakthrough. Is alarming.

          I agree that the 1 in 5000 nonsense is just their way of making things seem rosier than they are.

          The article also explains why most just write off a breakthrough as not as bad as real covid. And they are not. But as the NPR article said…..who are they spreading it to? Who will get long covid? We are in desperate need of honesty.

    1. With a very deep sigh.

      I wonder how many are in schools. DESE is supposed to begin listing numbers this week. Even not fully accurate, they give a rough idea. There were a few more cases out this way yesterday

  1. I agree with JPD, and now I’m wondering about the accuracy of the wastewater samples. It could be, as I mentioned before, that the sampling being looked at is just in the Boston area and that most new cases are outside of Boston. In any case, it’s not a good sign.

    The U.S. has essentially looked the other way on breakthroughs since May. CDC still does, for the most part. I get it that breakthroughs don’t lead to severe cases in the vast majority of instances, but they keep this thing going. In the end, that means more unvaccinated folks get infected, and more vaccinated folks who are elderly, immunocompromised, or vulnerable in some way, get infected.

    Please note, in the previous two waves the virus has first bubbled up in the South and then ultimately wound up in the Northeast and Midwest. This may be happening, albeit in muted form due to a much higher rate of vaccination in the Northeast. The next month or so will tell us more as autumn begins. Let’s see where we’re by late October.

    The U.S. is blowing away the competition in the daily new case count (in absolute and relative numbers). Given that there’s no mitigation whatsoever AND a relatively sub-par vaccination rate I’m not surprised. https://twitter.com/KFF/status/1438495641508974596

      1. Excellent and thank you.

        Now I know for certain that my wife and I aren’t just whistling in the wind on this matter. We’re not the crazy ones, it’s our friends and relatives.

    1. Great comments also. Thanks, Joshua. We were typing the same time re breakthrough cases. You said it better than I.

  2. My sister in law who is a retired nurse said they are now back to six months for boosters. They go up and down so often, that I wasn’t sure. Based on the links I posted today, I had the sense there is no decision on boosters but that one may be made Friday. I know MGH Brigham is still not offering them to the majority.

  3. My high school was going to have a 75th anniversary event for next Friday on the 24th but has now been postponed until sometime during the spring of 2022 due to the increasing number of Covid-19 cases. I had already decided weeks ago not to attend due to the virus for personal reasons. For me if the indoor mask mandate is still in effect in 2022, I still will NOT be attending said school event. Sorry.

    Realistically, are we as a nation going to be any better in 2022?

    1. Good to hear, Philip.

      I still hold out hope that the pandemic will ease considerably by the spring of 2022. There is some uncertainty. But, let’s hope.

    1. Vicki, you’ve been on top of this. You even predicted this. There should at least be the remote option, as you’ve stated many times.

      1. Thanks, Joshua. It isn’t just MA and it is a shame. There should be the option of both. The reason for in school was so kids didn’t fall behind. Although I’m not convinced that was 100% of the reason or this would not happen.

        The best school systems planned for this. MA did not

        I find this article very interesting

        https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/38-states-setting-permanent-virtual-schools-after-pandemic-sparked-interest-1618894%3famp=1

      2. Until a vaccine for those <12 can be distributed, there must be a remote option for the time being. Why school officials haven’t considered this especially for the younger grades?

        1. It isn’t up to school officials. The commissioner of DESE took decisions away from them last spring. He makes all of the decisions. The school committees who are elected by each town to make decisions for the children of the residents in those towns have absolutely no say.

          1. It’s a bit different in Massachusetts. Any school based close contacts who are asymptomatic can be tested daily (for free) and come to school each day with a negative test therefore reducing the number of students who need to quarantine to only those who have Covid or are exposed as a close contact outside of school. DESE will allow remote participation—it’s up to each district to decide whether they will offer it or not.

            1. Can students who are quarantining due to a COVID-19 related issue participate in remote learning?
              During the 2021-22 school year, full-time remote learning programs will not count toward structured learning time hours unless specifically previously authorized by DESE.

              Only in the limited instance where students are isolating and/or quarantining, as described in the SY22 protocols issued by DESE and DPH, if schools have the ability to allow students to join their schedule remotely, then they may do so. Consistent with DESE’s guidance on student attendance, quarantining students who participate in at least half of the school day activities can be marked present.

              If schools are not able to allow students to join their schedule remotely, schools should adopt a policy consistent with other absences and provide work for students that can be completed while at home. To minimize the amount of time required to quarantine outside of school districts should adopt the Test and Stay program. More information about this program can be found here: https://www.doe.mass.edu/covid19/testing/.

            2. True some are still being sent home. And although DESE did allow some, the guidelines are vague and I know from listening to multiple school committee meeting that the allowance came too late to formulate a plan.

              The rest to stay is horrifically irresponsible since we know kids are often contagious before a positive.

              The bottom line is DESE removed all decisions from our elected school committees and had done a horrific job rolling out plans

              1. To your second post, work is being sent home. It is minimal and insufficient

                DESE looks good on paper but failed in real life.

  4. I should have waited until my zoom was over. My apologies.

    Dave you are correct that DESE announced a couple of weeks prior to the start of school that if schools were capable of remote kids who are absent joining by zoom that it would be allowed. Two weeks before school of course left schools totally unprepared.

    And there is a test and stay policy which I believe is remarkably irresponsible. But that is if the schools have the test equipment. And they do not.

    I’m not sure what they are doing but it is one of two things. Kids are staying in school in MA without being tested or kids are going home without the work they need.

    We saw this coming.

    https://www.boston25news.com/news/health/25-investigates-hundreds-mass-schools-yet-receive-state-supplied-covid-testing-tools/ORYJKUYK4BGDLJP2RKTABTNQDQ/

    1. Correction. DESE released its guidance re maybe using a remote option on August 28. Many schools started days later. Most had removed the infrastructure required for remote.

      I am sure folks are tired of me mentioning this. I’m tired of it too. But these are our children. How can we not be upset

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