3:38PM
A chilly and breezy Monday is winding down and now it’s time to talk about what it upcoming for the next 7 days, including the Presidents Day Weekend (February 18-20).
For the model-followers, I am basing this forecast largely on the ECMWF today. The GFS looks “confused” starting at about day 3.
A milder southwesterly flow will become established on Tuesday then becoming very weak on Wednesday as a weak disturbance passes over and just south of southern New England. This system will not be worth more than a few very light snow or rain showers early Wednesday. High pressure north of the region on Thursday should provide enough dry air for at least some sun as another low pressure area organizes to the southwest of New England. This system will send a primary low pressure area into the Great Lakes Thursday night and Friday which will redevelop just south of New England Friday, but there will be too much warm air in place for any snow in southern New England (though northern New England, especially the mountains of NH and a good portion of central and northern Maine may see some significant snow from the low pressure system). The low should be lifting away by early Saturday as drier and cooler air starts to flow into New England behind it, setting us up for a largely dry and somewhat chilly (but not too cold) Presidents Day Weekend. A low pressure area over the southeastern US at that time should sail out to sea well south of New England.
Boston Area Forecast Details…
TONIGHT: Mostly clear. Low 19-24. Wind W diminishing to around 10 MPH.
TUESDAY: Clouding over. High 41-46. Wind SW 5-15 MPH.
TUESDAY NIGHT: Cloudy. Low 31-36. Wind SSW up to 10 MPH.
WEDNESDAY: Mostly cloudy. Slight chance of light snow or rain showers in the morning. High 41-46. Wind variable up to 10 MPH.
THURSDAY: Sunshine and high clouds. Low 28. High 42.
FRIDAY: Cloudy. Periods of rain. Low 35. High 44.
SATURDAY: Variably cloudy. Low 29. High 40.
SUNDAY: Partly cloudy. Low 23. High 38.
MONDAY – PRESIDENTS DAY: Mostly sunny. Low 19. High 36.
Thanks Tk. At least I’ll be missing a rainorama instead of snowarama when I am away.
Looks like the only snow from that thing will be far north of Boston…
As JMA stated in the previous blog, parts of Maine may do well.
Wasn’t expecting it to reach 40 today, may be headed for the upper 40’s tomorrow.
Unfrozen, un-snowcovered ground has a lower albedo than snowcover and will warm more efficiently. I think the seasonal climatology factored into the models is not working out so well this season…
That may even be part of the reason that the NAM has been running too cold.
Thanks TK !!
With the dry pattern as of late, I might not be it surprising if a slug of precip went northwest of us with the primary low and a second area of precip missed south and east of us with the offshore redevelopment leaving our region in the middle with .1 or .2 inches of precip on Friday.
Thanks for the update TK! To comment on your last post on the previous blog, I think the bigger question is why isn’t more done to improve the model output accuracy? (as far as I know they may tweaking them all the time so correct me if I am wrong) I guess even though they know the models have been poor this winter, it’s hard to ignore when they were consistently showing a scenerio as they did leading up to this past Sat. I could understand taking models with a grain of salt even 3 days out, but the models didn’t budge from that forecast until the night before. It just amazes me that the models are this bad with all the technology we have available. I often feel bad for the Mets. They have little choice but to look to models for a forecast. Even if their gut and education tells them something else, if they don’t forecast what the model says and it turns out the model was right, their jobs would be at stake.
I agree……but perhaps the models are not well suited to handle anomolous patterns.
I guess if that is true, than what’s the point? lol. We seldom get a non anomolous winter. It’s the anomolies when combined determine the average. So then I guess we can’t expect models designed for the “average” winter to perform well in an anomolous winter? That just doesn’t seem right.
Very true and I agree……I guess though, when one looks at the long range parts of the outlooks…..say beyond 7 to 8 days, the models do seem to forecast what might be the average. If the long range outlooks were correct, it would have at some point turned very cold and snowy at many points this winter. There havent been too many times where one would look at the 10th thru 14th day and see the current mild, snowless pattern continuing. How many times, myself included, have we looked at a long range model run and posted on here about a good looking event 10 or so days out ?
If the Euro is so much better than the GFS, something can be done…
79, 83, 84, 83, 83, 80, 78 ……. a week of high temps in July ? No, just the predicted high temps in Ft. Myers, FL from Tuesday – Sunday this week. Just not fair, lol !!
Line from Pete B.
I’m not putting a flake on that seven day after that face palm of a forecast this past Saturday.
LOL, I know the feeling…
CPC briefly warms far eastern Alaska and shrinks the warm area in the eastern US on their 6-10 but then returns everything to the cold Alaska / warm eastern US on the 8-14.
This pattern is like a rubber band, it sometimes gets stretched, but always ends up back where it was.
boiyoiyoiyoiyoingggg!
The way the models have been behaving we might as well guess at it.
That being said I am going with a rain situation transitioning some mix at the end during Friday. This next Monday I have us fulfilling half of our seasonal snow fall total. My model preference is IWSN. Which stands for??????
That’s the I Want Snow Now model.
TK, I don’t think your familiar with that model 🙂
Oh, I know of it.
I just decided that this non winter is fascinating in itself…
Plus I’m looking forward to buying a really cheap snowblower when they are trying to clearance their overstock in late February and March. 🙂
Good Thinking!
I might do the same, getting my car out of the Lyndon State College parking lot after a snowstorm will require more than a shovel.
Try the Sears outlet store. I found most stores just put them away. I found the best price is in the very early fall, and at the end of summer.
I might break down and buy one this year as well, two kids a job and no spare time!!
Same reason I got one. Only so much time in the day. Not so much this winter but a good deal is a good deal.
Tommorrow is the beginning of a string of 40’s and maybe 50 deg through the week, I really think winter is on its last leg, with the days getting longer people are gonna go into spring fever. It’s almost 5:30pm and it’s still light out
Since this winter has been a big dud, I will be ready for a snowstorm next Dec, that’s for sure 🙂
Todd on BZ about to give stats for this winter.
We’ve had 7.8″. Normal for this date is about 30.” Last year on this date = 72.”
Out of last 21 days, 19 have been above normal and averaging 7 degrees above normal.
I thought 7.9. Either I’m wrong or you are clever. I’m
Impressed – hehehe
For what’s its worth which is not much the 18z GFS shows some opportunities for winter hanging on.
Yes Charlie we know:). Nothing new in terms of long range.
Haha
I don’t think we can go into spring fever when we never really had winter.
Ur prob right 🙂
I am not giving up on snow for March just yet, but I will as far as February is concerned.
Least snow for February = Trace 1925, 1937, 2012. 🙁
Hopefully we don’t add 2012 to that list. That would be a big time UGH!
This whole winter has been a big ugh!
But the fact that it has been unusual actually makes it interesting
You get winter’s that are duds it happens.
Not that we have too many patterns to base this next question on, but with the few that we do have… what type of spring/summer weather tends to follow a non-winter such as the one we’re in right now?
According to Todd’s evening blog, there is a snow opportunity for Sunday…if a mid-Atlantic storm can come north.
Any thoughts on this??
Not sure I had thought sombody had mentioned in an earlier post on somthing for Monday. If that were to happen your prediction would hold.
My thoughts are: That storm will miss because the Euro says so. 🙂
With the way the winter has gone It will be a miss. When we we not get a miss.
When will we.sorry.
Here is the 18z GFS, does show potential.
http://mag.ncep.noaa.gov/NCOMAGWEB/appcontroller?page=Image&prevPage=Param&image=..%2FGemPakTier%2FMagGemPakImages%2Fgfs%2F20120213%2F18%2Fgfs_namer_147_850_temp_mslp_precip.gif&fcast=147&imagesurls=&model=GFS&area=NAMER&storm=&areaDesc=North+America+-+US+Canada+and+northern+Mexico&cat=MODEL+GUIDANCE&rname=SFC-LAYER+PARMS&pname=850_temp_mslp_precip&cycle=02%2F13%2F2012+18UTC&imageSize=M&currKey=model&scrollx=0&scrolly=0&nextImage=yes
Looks almost like a norlun trough
High to our north is MIA. Not entirely, but mostly. The map also reminds me of the storm that missed us Friday night. This said, it has potential. Notice, by the way, the two lows dancing past southern Greenland. Hasn’t that been the story of this winter? I’m curious to know the snow totals in southern Greenland. Got to be a lot, as they’ve been having snow almost every day this winter. It hasn’t been particularly cold in Nuuk (capital) with today being especially mild (low 40s). Generally it’s been in the upper 20s and snowing 1-3 or 2-4 inches every day.
But yes the euro looks way more like reality in the long run.
18z GFS is a very nice work of fiction.
Fiction can be fun! It’s all we got this year, TK. Talk about desperate: On my way to my parents in Brookline every week I drive past the Brookline Ice & Coal on Brookline Ave. and see little snowbanks and get excited.
Sometimes when I’m sad, I stopping being sad and start being awesome instead. Good night all!
By the way, Madagascar is about to be hit by a Category 4 hurricane (Giovanna). Our prayers should go out to the people on that island.
Having forecast tropical weather around the world for years, I’ve seen some major tropical cyclones impact Madagascar. They are prone to major flooding and mudslides. Hopefully they come through this ok.
Interesting article on (Greenland) blocking which apparently has been occurring more frequently this past decade or so than in years past. Of course, this year has been a very different story:
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/blocking-atlantic.html
Thanks Joshua, interesting read! After I read this it sparked my curiosity about Greenland and realized I know nothing about it. I was surprised what I found out about the history and culture and how much weather plays a role in how they live. Their climate has been warming at an alarming rate and negatively affecting the fishing industry. Interestingly enough, with the loss of ice esp. on the western side, it has opened up a whole new world for them. One of the world’s largest oil reserves for one, and recently discovered supply of thought to be the world’s largest supply of rare metals.
Cant access EURO on wunderground, but looking at other sites it sure shows a heck of a storm next week, granted its a little south of our area, but it bears watching.
http://meteocentre.com/models/explorateur.php?lang=en&map=na&run=00&mod=ecmwf&stn=PNM&hh=144&comp=1&runb=00&mod2=ecmwf&stn2=PNM&hh2=000&fixhh=1
I’ll be keeping an eye on a low forming on the east coast Sunday since that is the day I am flying back. The NWS out of Upton NY makes it sound like a watcher.
THINGS COULD GET A LITTLE INTERESTING ON SUNDAY AS THE 00Z/14 ECMWF
HAS CONTINUED TO TREND NORTH WITH A COASTAL LOW EMERGING OFF THE
SOUTHEAST COAST. NONE OF THE GEFS MEMBERS HOWEVER ARE AS FAR NORTH
AS THE ECMWF WITH THIS FEATURE. THE LOW COMES COURTESY OF A SOUTHERN
STREAM SHORTWAVE. NONE OF THE MODELS SHOW DIRECT PHASING WITH THE
NORTHERN STREAM…HOWEVER THE ECMWF…AND TO A LESSER DEGREE…THE
GFS…SHOW A PIECE OF ENERGY DIVING DOWN FROM THE UPPER PLAINS AND
MERGING WITH THE SOUTHERN STREAM SHORTWAVE. SOMETHING TO KEEP AND
EYE ON…BUT FOR NOW WILL AT LEAST INTRODUCE “HIDDEN” SLIGHT CHANCE
POPS IN THE GRIDS FOR SUNDAY INTO SUNDAY NIGHT. TEMPERATURES COULD
ALSO END UP A COUPLE DEGREES COOLER THAN CURRENTLY FORECAST DURING
THIS PERIOD. HIGH PRESSURE RETURNS ON MONDAY WITH DRY WEATHER.
I think that is for this Sunday, you mean flying out?
I know I shouldn’t get excited, and I will probably be let down in the end, but if this trend continues, I can’t help but just be a little bit excited.
and look at the same time frame from the GFS
http://mag.ncep.noaa.gov/NCOMAGWEB/appcontroller?page=Image&prevPage=Param&image=..%2FGemPakTier%2FMagGemPakImages%2Fgfs%2F20120214%2F06%2Fgfs_namer_162_850_temp_mslp_precip.gif&fcast=162&imagesurls=&model=GFS&area=NAMER&storm=&areaDesc=North+America+-+US+Canada+and+northern+Mexico&cat=MODEL+GUIDANCE&rname=SFC-LAYER+PARMS&pname=850_temp_mslp_precip&cycle=02%2F14%2F2012+06UTC&imageSize=M&currKey=model&scrollx=0&scrolly=0&prevArea=NAMER&prevImage=yes
Anyone having trouble getting into wunderground models? I can’t see to get into them to take a look at the EURO!!
Hadi, hopefully this works. I sometimes have trouble with the site too. This shows the storms closest pass late sunday into sunday night at 150 hours. Looks almost identical to last saturday’s storm.
http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?zoom=4&rad=0&wxsn=0&svr=0&cams=0&sat=0&riv=0&mm=1&mm.mdl=GFS&mm.type=SURPRE&mm.hour=150&mm.opa=100&mm.clk=0&hur=0&fire=0&tor=0&ndfd=0&pix=0&dir=0&ads=0&tfk=0&fodors=0&ski=0&ls=0&rad2=0
ahhh, fail on my part, sorry Hadi
Got to love the wording from Upton “hidden”!! LOL
Thanks Ace! But it seems that the website is not working for me at all!
Hey Hadi… I am flying out tomorrow and flying back on Sunday. I am not concerned about this because the way this winter has gone it will probably be a miss but anytime there is low pressure on the coast it needs to be watched no matter what kind of winter we are having.
Oh Good JJ!! I would bet that you will be fine 🙂
Hadi, how is your basement coming along?
Great!!! It gonna be sweet with the kids, My little man cave with the boys!!
That’s terrific. Enjoy it!
My wife is starting to get on me about finishing ours. Nothing to fancy, one large open room, full bathroom with tub, storage closets. It’s roughly 610 sq ft. She has been watching to many DIY shows and wants to add two full egress windows. She doesn’t under stand what’s involved with cutting 8″ think concrete foundation walls.
They should be done by start of March!! Its a lot of work though!
I bet it is! Do you mind if I ask how much per sq ft they are charging?
Not sure how much per Sq Foot, but its about 700 sq feet, the whole basement is being gutted, no bathroom, but heat carpet etc.. Everything new and its about 40K total
That is about average contractor cost. It generally runs $40 to $75 per square foot. All depends on what the finished are and if there are any bathrooms. Yours is $57.14 a square foot so your right in there. Make sure all permits all pulled by the GC. Enjoy your new basement!
HADI, LIKE I SAID I DID MINE OVER, YOU WILL LOVE IT.
This is taken from part of this morning’s HPC long range discussion regarding sunday into monday. Looks like they aren’t buying what the GFS is selling for that time period.
OVER THE PAST DAY THERE HAVE BEEN ENOUGH INDICATIONS FROM OPERATIONAL MODELS TOWARD AT LEAST A MODERATELY DEFINED SYSTEM… AND SUFFICIENT TROF AMPLIFICATION UPSTREAM TO SUGGEST A SFC TRACK SOMEWHAT NWD OF THE SRN SIDE OF THE SPREAD… FOR PREFERRING A COMPROMISE AMONG THE OPERATIONAL MODEL CLUSTER AT THIS TIME. THE 12Z/13 ECMWF COMES CLOSEST TO THIS IDEA AND THUS IS GIVEN THE GREATEST WEIGHT IN THE EARLY AND UPDATED PRELIM FCSTS.
Here is the Wundermap for that Southern Storm. Northern fringe makes it here.
It certainly is “trending” Northward. We shall see.
http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?lat=42.32270&lon=-71.08470&zoom=4&type=terrain&units=english&rad=0&sat=0&stormreports=0&svr=0&pix=0&cams=0&tor=0&riv=0&wxsn=0&ski=0&tfk=0&mm=1&mm.mdl=ECMWF&mm.type=SURPRE&mm.hour=144&mm.opa=100&ndfd=0&fire=0&hur=0&ib=1&mits=0&dir=0
Of course as always with the Wundermap, typ “L” to advance it and “J” to
move it back a frame.
Thanks Old Salty. It looks very similar to last Saturday’s setup. Hopefully we get a different result.
🙂
Interesting that’s it on presidents weekend!! Maybe an omen 🙂
Of course Joe Bastardi jumping all over the EURO!!!
What is he saying?
“GFS flat, euro is where its at. Would end snow drought in midatlantic”
🙂 We shall see. Wouldn’t be disgusting to have the Mid-Atlantic
receive a big snowstorm leaving us in the dust!
Not that is means anything 🙂 , but the JMA has the system poised to come up.
Surface chart:
http://grib2.com/jma/CONUS_JMA_1000-500_SLPTHKPRP_144HR.gif
500MB Chart:
http://grib2.com/jma/CONUS_JMA_500_GPHTMPVORT_144HR.gif
End result, it probably would still pass South of us. But interesting looking charts.
today mostly cloudy peaks of sun highs in the mid 40s
tonight slight chance of flurries
wednesday cloudy chance of some morning flurries and afternoon sprinkles highs in the high 40s
wednesday night partly cloudy lows in the upper 20s
thursday partly cloudy with an isolated shower
thursday night increasing clouds rain or/and snow showers lows in the mid 30s
friday mostly cloudy could see a quick morning mix but mainly rain showers
friday night. becoming clear lows in the mid 20s
saturday sunny highs in the mid 40s dropping into the mid 30s by evening
saturday night partly cloudy lows in the low 20s
sunday mostly sunny highs in the mid 30s
sunday night mainly clear lows in the upper 10s to low 20s
monday increasing afternoon clouds highs in the high 30s
some models are hinting at a cooler senerio for thursday night through friday or it will be more showers than steady rain.There is also another storm that we will have to watch sunday through tuesday of febuary vacation.
Just got a look at the 0Z Euro and it really is trending north. The snow tool shows Virginia through the Delaware coast and even Nantucket getting significant accumulations Sun-Mon. Richmond, VA really gets slammed. Accumulating snow reaches as far north as southern CT, RI and Cape Cod as well. Perplexing that the GFS shows absolutely nothing during this same time period. You have got to favor the Euro here though as it is getting into that timeframe before a storm (~5 days) where it usually performs very well.
The 12Z Euro should be extremely interesting!!! Let’s see if 12Z GFS
comes on board at all.
Here is the 06Z DGEX. At least this one has the system, even
though it has it ejecting off the coast Well South of us.
http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~gadomski/DGEXEAST_6z/f162.gif
Coastal the GC said not permit is needed for the work? because nothing is being added, ie bathroom etc…
A permit is need for almost anything that you do in your house. Insulation, framing, windows, electrical, proper fire proofing, proper clearances around utilities and gas or oil burning appliances. Technically, if you install a switch or a receptacle, you need to pull a permit. GC’s always tell their clients that a permit is not required, this saves them the cost of the permit and allows them to cut corners on there work. If something goes bad in the future that relates to this work, say a fire in your home, your insurance company will not pay for damages.
Call your local building department, do not have them your name or location, and simply as them if a permit is needed.
wow thanks!! I will get on it right away!!
I don’t want to alarm you but I would highly recommended you do.
Best of luck!
The contractor is a personal friend and I asked him about it and he said its very expensive but bc its not an addition he did not think it was something he would spend the money on. He also said insurance companies don’t deny claims bc of it. hmmm not sure what to think.
Take a look at this:
http://www.cityofboston.gov/isd/building/boa/bldgdefault.asp
This too:
http://homebuying.about.com/od/buyingahome/f/Should-You-Buy-A-Home-That-Was-Remodeled-Without-Permits.htm
When I did mine over gc said you you did not need one. Town hall said you did. I got one. When I WENT to get permit for another job I was told I DID not need one for basement by the building department. Go figure.
Thanks!!
We are considering changing from an electric to a gas stove and our appliance store said pull the permit and I called town hall and they said if something goes wrong and there is not a permit or inspection we are in deep trouble with homeowners. Hadi – are you running electrical work?
That is what I am reading. We are doing the entire basement over. Not sure really what to do at this point, bc we are 2 weeks into the project. I know that the work is being done really well, but how can I prove that down the road without the permits. But the GC has another job coming up so I am guessing that’s why he did not want to pull the permit bc it would slow down the work. He is terrific with his work, but now I don’t know what to do!!!!!
Maybe talk to him and tell him your concerns. I would think he knew that a permit was needed to cover you. My guess is as you have described him he will do the right thing. Good luck. The proverbial rock and hard place. Ugh and ugh again.
Yep talking tomorrow morning with him!!
Better yet have someone call town to see if they say u need permit as coastal said. Sorry just saw that
First call the city and simply ask the question. “Me and my wife are thinking about remodeling our basement but we are not sure if we need a permit” Do not give your name or address.
There are two inspections that will be performed, the first is your rough, the second is your final. If they have not started installing sheet rock or any of the finishes it might not be too late. You can simply explain your situation. If that has already been started it will need to be removed so they can inspect the work. You may have to provide a drawing for the work you are proposing and a drawing showing the existing conditions. ISD will be able to tell you that.
If permits are required they are the responsibility of the GC but you are also responsible because you are the home owner.
Thanks
The GFS kills the shortwave in the southern stream that is helping this storm form on the Euro. I understand that this is a typical bias of the GFS. I am anxious to see the 12z runs as well, OS. I think the GFS is going to start to show at least something forming.
Did the GFS under estimate the southern short wave for this past weekends storm? I believe the southern short wave sucked all the energy out of the northern wave. Though I could be wrong.
I believe the problem with that system was that the 2 streams
never phased up until well off shore? Or perhaps they never
phased at all?
If my recollection serves me correctly, the GFS didn’t show much of a system at all for this past Saturday, at 5 days out. Which in retrospect you could say was accurate, although a storm did at least develop way offshore. I think the issue with that storm not coming together, as a few of the models suggested, was the timing and strength of pieces of energy coming in off the Pacific and tracking across the country. Instead of one larger piece of energy, they came in several smaller pieces and weren’t able to phase the storm closer to the coast.
Henry Margusity has a Big Daddy snowstorm for next week…for the Midwest.
When do we get our turn here along the east coast?? 🙁
As bad as this winter has been for snow, most areas in the CONUS have had their “one” snowstorm at some point. I just hope we in SNE get ours soon. I absolutely do not want to break that 1936-37 record 9.0″.
I don’t like that trough in the west at the time of that storm reaching the east coast. Although we have several other factors working for us, such as a high to the north and some potential blocking.
I’ll watch it, but seeing how this winter has been, I don’t have much hope. Only thing that is different now is the MJO.
Sure enough, the 12z GFS now has a fairly juicy storm over the SE on Sunday but it stays way south and goes out to sea. Definitely bears watching.
Still not as close as the EURO, but it is encouraging that the GFS has brought it at least a little bit further north and more organized. Trend??
Its a watcher and lets leave it at that.
Ahh, the speculation and anticipation is half the fun JJ. Then we can set ourselves up for a massive let down later on!
Good (and somewhat encouraging) post from Joe Lundberg:
The key to the path of the southern system could ultimately be dictated by what happens with the course of events in the northern branch. The GFS, for what it’s worth, is suggesting the feature you see above flies through the mid-Atlantic Saturday and early Saturday night, effectively suppressing the southern branch feature. Most of the other modeling is farther north. For instance, both the JMA and the Canadian develop this storm in the northwestern Gulf of Mexico late Friday and Friday night into early Saturday morning, then move it steadily along to off the Southeast coast Sunday. This would probably mean some snow for the southern Appalachians, but mostly a rain event overall, with the northern limit of the precipitation the Mason-Dixon Line.
The European tries to phase the two branches, which hasn’t happened much this winter, and brings the storm even farther north, which would dump quite a bit of snow across the central Appalachians and across northern Virginia and Maryland into southern Pennsylvania and New Jersey, with less for southern New England, and nothing farther north.
It’s a very fascinating setup, quite honestly, and one that could bring a mouthful of winter to areas that have barely had a morsel of it all winter long. It can also have a huge impact on temperatures Sunday through Tuesday of next week as well.
Furthermore, it won’t be the last southern branch feature in this pattern. There ought to be several more to finish out the month of February and head into early March.
Interesting stuff!!
So far, the 12Z Euro “looks” to keep it South. Will just have to wait
for the complete run.
12Z Euro at closest pass to us. GBAGL as Dick Albert used to say. Good bye and good luck.
http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?lat=42.32270&lon=-71.08470&zoom=4&type=terrain&units=english&rad=0&sat=0&stormreports=0&svr=0&pix=0&cams=0&tor=0&riv=0&wxsn=0&ski=0&tfk=0&mm=1&mm.mdl=ECMWF&mm.type=SURPRE&mm.hour=129&mm.opa=100&ndfd=0&fire=0&hur=0&ib=1&mits=0&dir=0
12z ECMWF delivers 0.02 to Nantucket for Sunday’s “event”
From DT:
If we compare this 12z Tuesday euro run at 500 MB (the jet stream level ) to the impressive looking 0Z or early Tuesday European run – the 0z run .. we see a Major DIFFERENCE. The southern enery — the short wave — that comes out of Texas into the Ddelta then the deep south states is not quite as strongly phased as what the 0z European model showed. The Southern Energy is very impressive over Arkansas and Louisiana on THIS run of the European and the surface Low is devloping nicely
At 120 hours — which is 7:00 AM February 19 Sunday… the 500 MB Mpa has a very strong shortwave over Alabama and Mississippi. BUT the northern branch of the jet stream has NOT phased with the Southern Energy. At the surface there are two Lows — one located over Savanna Georgia the other one near Wilmington North Carolina. The rain snow line is south of Richmond over southeastern Virginia and runs down to a Hickory North Carolina.
By Sunday evening the European model has colder air reacheing all the way to the North Carolina Coast as the coastal low of pulling away. Taken verbatim this model says that there will be no SIGNIFICANT snow for Washington, DC Northwest region VA Baltimore Philadelphia or southern New Jersey. But at this point it is NOT wise — taking a weather model even the best weather model the world the European –verbatim
I have for the last few days of favored the flatter solution as a general overall outlook be cause of this particular winter pattern. The last two winters …if you farted too loud you get a snowstorm the East Coast because the pattern allowed phasing… in fact it forced a lot of phasing or merging between the two jet streams. This result in a lot of big East Coast winter storms.
This winter as we all know has been a very mild winter because the main pattern or flow has been coming in from the Pacific not from Canada and the arctic regions. THUS for THIS possible event
I suspect that constant Pacific Jet stream energy will keep coming in from the West Coast pushing the Southern System on an easterly or eastern northeasterly track and not allowing it to turn up the coast.
Not to sound like a complete moron, but who or what is DT????
Wxrisk.com
Leave it to DT to reference farting in a weather discussion. 🙂
That line about farting cracked me up! I think we should all try and fart really loud to force those jet streams to phase….
……cricket……cricket……
I once posted on their FB page stating I thought we’d be maintaining the warmer than normal and relatively snowless pattern when they were calling for a huge pattern change to sustained cold (back in January) and got hammered for posting a “really bad forecast”.
12z GFS/GEFS/GGEM/ECMWF are all well south. GEFS is furthest south. 00z ECMWF ENS was south too.
We’ve got the models right where we want them. If they were showing a direct hit 5 days out, we know that we would lose it at some point. So maybe this is a good thing 🙂
hahahahhaha – the glass half full – I like it and re your comment above – my mom was famous for saying “anticipation is half the joy” – very true!
There will be a storm the question is how close does it come and will it have any impacts here in SNE.
SO I guess JMA you don’t see anything coming out of this potential?
Mark yes maybe we have them right where we want them!!
Is the nam much colder for the end of the week event?
(This is when some one says yes, but its still going to rain)
I love the wording from the NWS “moderating temps” from what? Reall!!
MILDER AIR FLOWING INTO NEW ENGLAND WITH A WEAK DISTURBANCE WILL
BRING CLOUDS THROUGH WEDNESDAY ALONG WITH A CHANCE OF SPRINKLES
AND FLURRIES. LOW PRESSURE WILL LIKELY BRING A PERIOD OF RAIN AND
POSSIBLY SOME INTERIOR WET SNOW LATE THU INTO EARLY FRI. MAINLY
DRY WITH TEMPERATURES AT OR SLIGHTLY ABOVE NORMAL APPEARS LIKELY
THIS WEEKEND…FOLLOWED BY A POTENTIAL MODERATING TREND NEXT WEEK.– End Changed Discussion —
Based on the the way winter has gone, I would have to say the next 7-10 days offers no hope in terms of snow for us.
The below normal temps stay out west in both the 6-10 and 8-14 day outlook from the CPC while we get above normal temps here in the east in both the 6-10 and 8-14 day outlook.
Another day of very low dewpoints…..whatever precip fell last Saturday is long evaporated. Dry, dry, dry.
From the NWS Upton :re Sunday’s system. Sounds like the ensembles (mean) take the system closer to us and they show a large degree of uncertainty on the placement of the high over the NE, which would have an impact in steering the storm. Perhaps still some hope? Or am I just grasping at Old Salty’s straws?
REGARDING ENSEMBLES WITH THIS SYSTEM…THE NCEP ENSEMBLE MEAN TAKES
THE LOW JUST EAST OF THE 40/70 BENCHMARK…WITH BETWEEN 1 AND 1.25
STANDARD DEVIATION SPREAD WITH THE LOW…BUT A BIT HIGHER SPREAD
WITH THE HIGH…INDICATING THAT THIS COULD BE MORE OF AN IMPORTANT
FEATURE WITH THIS EVENT. THE GEFS MEAN IS SIMILAR AS WELL…PERHAPS
A BIT FARTHER EAST…BUT WITH LARGER UNCERTAINTY. AGAIN…THE
LARGEST UNCERTAINTY WITH THE HIGH…WITH THE HIGHEST UNCERTAINTY
ON THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE HIGH.
I think this was written by one of those goose’s over on New England Weather works on Facebook.
That sure is a poorly written statement.
Until the NAO goes negative we can pretty much forget about any real snow in SNE. I have no clue as to what Upton’s weather office is thinking.
If things don’t seriously change in the next 2-3 weeks…this winter is OVER.
Pete has just about wrote winter goodbye.
I’ll repeat what I said about Pete’s comments. The current pattern doesn’t matter. Anomalies are always possible and you never count snow out in New England until the middle of April (and even then it’s occurred later a few times).
Agreed.
You give him good press John :).
I was alive for it but May 9, 1977 when I believe Boston got 0.5 inches of snow.
The other when I was really young was the end of April 1987 I believe.
I believe April 27-28 1987. In Woburn we had nearly 8 inches of mashed potato snow.
I stand by the IWS Model. It never fails! 🙂
IWS = I Want Snow?? lol 🙂
🙂
storm thursday night into friday mix of snow and rain… no accumulation
storm possibility 2 gets absorbed by southern jet and goes to our south out to sea.
another storm is possible middle to late part of feb vacation looks to be a replica of fridays storm much can change though its just what i see right now. third possibility I just thrown in to mention it. we are in a stuborn pattern.
On Pete’s 11:00 pm newscast last night, he told the viewing audience that not only will there be no more snow, but that we can expect a dry spring. He finally said that he would not speculate on summer just yet.
Given that this winter has been somewhat dry, I hope he’s wrong about the spring…not that I want to see massive flooding like in 2010 either.
Philip it hadnt really been dry – just no snow. The Sudbury river is higher than normal for now. Hopefully well be ok since there’s been no real rain recently. It takes a very short time for water level to go down.
Vicki…we are running 2.16″ below normal in precip for the New Year so far.
Well see how fast it changes :). Thanks Philip. Will have to drive down Pelham is rd this weekend
Giving that kind of forecast on-air is, in my opinion, irresponsible, and just plain asking for trouble.
If I could say for certain there would be “no more snow” on February 14 in New England, and it was a lock I would be right, I’d be a very, very rich person.
March 2010 with the flooding I remember that as well on Mother’s Day in May 2006.
Both were horrendous. I remember them as well. We are very close to Sudbury river but not in flood area. Many of my friends dealt with terrible flooding
2010 the water in the marshland went into my yard highest ever recorded. the wind did not help either as most of the storms had the wind coming towards the house making the water come towards the house.First time this house ever had water in the basement said my dad.
I think the dry ground will an an issue as we get into early spring. Looking out two weeks not many big precip makers and that takes us into march. I still think in a pattern like this with cold bottled up north and an active southern jet stream we could end having a march snowstorm. But by April we very well might end up 4 inches below normal if we continue this split on the northern and southern streams.
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