DAYS 1-5 (SEPTEMBER 10-14)
A few adjustments are being made on this 5-day forecast update, but nothing major. The changes are that I am a little less optimistic about a nicer day Tuesday, but more optimistic about a nicer Thursday. We stay in the humid and unsettled pattern as one trough moves through the region today into Monday. With a lack of a good push of drier air we can’t clear out efficiently on Tuesday between that trough and its follow-up from the west, which brings more unsettled weather to our region into midweek. However it does look progressive enough to get east of our region and finally allow some much drier air from Canada to arrive via the Great Lakes Thursday.
TODAY: Mostly cloudy. Occasional showers and thunderstorms likely, favoring the I-95 belt westward. Highs 78-85. DP near 70. Wind S 5-15 MPH.
TONIGHT: Mostly cloudy. Areas of fog. Scattered showers and a possible thunderstorm. Lows 65-72. DP 60s. Wind S up to 10 MPH.
MONDAY: Mostly cloudy. Showers likely, especially in the afternoon. Chance of thunderstorms. Areas of fog early. Highs 73-80. DP near 70. Wind S to variable up to 10 MPH.
MONDAY NIGHT: Showers/storms end, clouds remain, patchy fog forms. Lows 60-67. DP 60s. Wind variable to E up to 10 MPH.
TUESDAY: Mostly cloudy. A shower or patch of coastal drizzle possible. Highs 70-77. DP 60s. Wind E up to 10 MPH.
TUESDAY NIGHT: Mostly cloudy. Lows 61-68. DP near 60. Wind SE under 10 MPH.
WEDNESDAY: Mostly cloudy. Afternoon showers likely. Highs 71-78. DP 60s. Wind S 5-15 MPH.
WEDNESDAY NIGHT: Mostly cloudy. Showers ending. Areas of fog. Lows 58-65. DP near 60. Wind SW up to 10 MPH.
THURSDAY: Sun/cloud mix. Highs 70-77. DP falling through 50s. Wind W 5-15 MPH.
DAYS 6-10 (SEPTEMBER 15-19)
Hurricane Lee’s closest pass, well offshore, will be taking place early to mid period, stirring up big waves along the coast, otherwise we see dry weather here through the middle weekend of the month with pleasant late summer conditions. The next unsettled weather chance comes from a trough moving in from the west later in the period.
DAYS 11-15 (SEPTEMBER 20-24)
Drier trend with more northwesterly flow expected, along with more seasonable temperatures.
Ocean temps off the south coast are back in the mid seventies.
I was in the water at Hampton Beach last night (not originally planned) and it was nice. And that’s the east side. 🙂
TK, thank you.
I should think we would see big waves from Lee, and not sure about this but rip currents too.
It will produce some good ones and resultant rips.
Thanks TK !
Thanks TK.
TK – Will there be a serious threat for downpours and storms during the game as well as the TB-12 halftime ceremony?
Thanks, TK.
I wasn’t on computer yesterday due to not feeling well and the strong thunderstorms we had that lasted for some time. The lightning and the loud thunder that was outrageously loud was astounding. We got some rain here but it was the thunder and lightning that shook our house. We lost power briefly. I cannot believe the amount of storms we have had this summer. Perhaps in the past we did.
In any case, I am hoping that Vicki’s brother gets better soon and for anyone else who is not feeling well.
Hoping we don’t get the hurricane – still interesting to read all the comments regarding the hurricane. Waiting for it to get a little closer as I like to look at the satellite images of hurricanes and watch its movements and try to guess what it will do.
Thank you, rainshine. I hope you feel better today
Good morning and thank you TK.
This humidity is relentless!!!!
Agreed. Walked the shore in early AM. It was soupy!!
Thanks TK. Hoping for no thunder and downpours sitting over my area today. After the 3.5 inches yesterday, we need a little less today :).
Good luck, hoping they avoid your area.
I second Tom
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/sat/satlooper.php?region=13L&product=ir
FWIW, Lee’s forward speed has really slowed, in my opinion.
Lee is a shadow of its former self. true fish storm or so it appears .
I’d like to know what that 12z euro run was all about yesterday??????
Did you see the gfs bring another hurricane towards us coast late in the 6z run?
I did.
I think it’s the MJO and 200 mb layer with a map that offers that conditions overall atmospherically become more favorable for tropical development later in the month.
So, I’d think more opportunities are coming.
https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/people/wd52qz/mjo/chi/ewp.gif
Thanks TK
Eric. Sees it as a miss but wisely still watching
https://x.com/ericfisher/status/1700859207568801851?s=46&t=neG9xl79s_BtNQXSGBlqLQ
I love how he said “for now” 🙂 🙂 🙂
It sure looks like a fish storm and likely to stay that way.
Dosen’t hurt to continue watching in case there are some unforeseen late breaking developments.
It seems to me to be irresponsible not to keep watching. We hear repeatedly That models are not reliable more than 72 hours out.
We should never stop watching even when the confidence is pretty high that something is not going to be an impact…
There is no 100% in weather prediction. 🙂
That is for sure.
Thanks TK
Can’t wait for Thursday to get rid of this STICKORAMA
I’m SICK TO DEATH of it!!!!!!
My electric bill is going to be through the roof!!!
Running those ACs is not cheap.
I was fortunate to get a break in August only having to run my AC twice that month. This is not the case the first week of September.
Ugh. I feel your pain. We didn’t get a break even then because I’d now this house is configured.
Because of how
I am hoping by Thursday I won’t have to put my AC on again until next June.
I’m seeing through October in our future. Only positive is because it is a hot house, it costs very little to heat. I’m thinking solar might be a good idea. My son in law is a bit unsure about it
https://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?m=hrrr&p=qpf_acc-imp&rh=2023091012&fh=14&r=us_ne&dpdt=&mc=
12z HRRR precip outlook. Projecting band a little further north than yesterday.
https://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?m=nam4km&p=qpf_acc-imp&rh=2023091012&fh=16&r=us_ne&dpdt=&mc=
3km NAM.
Oriented more sw to ne
Both models were atrocious with yesterday’s events.
I don’t trust them.
Great point !
Oh that is good to save on the heating bill during the winter.
Sure is. And the heat pump we had installed has helped some with the cost of summer electricity. We were typically around 650 a month for summer months.
Like yesterday, there’s definitely a dp boundary and maybe even a weak front that is south of Logan.
Logan, Lawrence and Bedford all with light NE winds.
South of that, winds are calm and dps remain in the low 70s.
https://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=BOX&issuedby=BOX&product=RWR&format=CI&version=1
I’m 75 with a 72 DP. If I could get up off my duff, I’d take rhe kestrel outside to get a more accurate measure. I don’t see that happening in the near future though 🙄
DP 75 here in JP.
https://radar.weather.gov/station/KBOX/standard
Blob of rain in NH, with scattered cells already developing just north of the south coast.
Saw that. Right around the hospital where my brother is. He has a wall to wall window so I hope is enjoy the show. He is fascinated by weather also. He’s fairly heavily medicated but yesterday was reminiscing about hurricane Carol in 1954. Funny since he is my half brother and we were not raised together but only became close in our 30s that we have a bunch of things in common
Wishing the best for your brother. I’m glad he has a wall-to-wall window, Being able to see outside is a blessing.
🙂
Continued thoughts for improvement for him.
Thinking of him and positive thoughts and prayers for him.
Thank you, TK.
If I’m seeing it correctly we’re on the boundary of a stalled front that won’t push through for a while. Different set-up from a cut-off low, but with several similar effects in terms of rather gloomy and periodically rainy or at least showery weather.
Rode my bike yesterday. Can’t say it was fun dodging the rain showers, though they had mostly dissipated by the time I left my apartment. But then the soupy conditions made riding a bit of a chore.
I was absolutely and inexcusably wrong in a post I made yesterday. I used a tweet by a weather person in CO criticizing another met on CNN. I should have researched the post he was referring to. The person he criticized is one I follow and know my daughter does also. And not only is he fair and excellent but the segment faulted by the guy in CO Makes perfect sense to me. It is Mike on Mikes Weather Page who was criticized. I don’t know his full name. But I found him through Eric quite a while ago
Again. I sincerely apologize.
This is actually pretty funny. It’s old school baseball that sometimes looked like football: https://twitter.com/Super70sSports/status/1700650304385982836
This is still one of my favorite weather apps because it has some entertainment value.
App: Windy.com
1) go to : https://www.windy.com/?42.468,-70.947,5
2) choose your model of choice in lower right corner
3) choose on right side: clouds, wind, temp, rain, etc.
4) use (or animate) slider at bottom for date of interest
I’m using it now to look at wave “intensity” towards 9/15.
Thanks Longshot !
Love windy. It was you who introduced me to it a bit ago, and I not only saved it but managed to remember where I saved it
https://radar.weather.gov/station/KBOX/standard
Really getting going, it’s not even 11am
#florida at latitude 42N
A bunch of cells popping up SW of Boston.
Thanks TK.
We have a new wbz met. Welcome Alyssa
https://x.com/4cast4you/status/1700864902179488153?s=61&t=ce4mJRq91JtL8cJ1kZYs0A
3 recent recon passes near/through the center have recorded around 105 kt flight level winds.
Still shear, but there’s been some excellent rotating of convection around the center this morning.
I think yesterday, 90 kt flight level winds was the max.
Waterspout folly beach SC. Just up from isle of palms where my daughter and family are
https://x.com/robstormteam2/status/1700892213092184148?s=46&t=neG9xl79s_BtNQXSGBlqLQ
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/13L_gefs_12z.png
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/13L_gefs_00z.png
Yesterday GEFS 12z ensembles, todays 00z ensembles.
The mean moves westward and there’s a fair amount of pasta maybe a couple hundred miles offshore.
Still allowing, in my mind, for a track close enough to bring storm force gusts to the outer Cape and gale force gusts to the immediate eastern Mass coast, along with some rain bands that could make it back to eastern Mass.
The ensembles don’t show that hard right turn, it’s more of a NNE track. Recent Franklin took a much more right turn than these ensembles project.
In fact, at 00z, I believe it’s true that some ensembles and it’s mean ensemble track is now WEST of the 00z op run track.
Op run center at 00z GFS, see 2nd link above for ensemble mean location at 00z
https://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?m=gfs&p=prateptype_cat-met&rh=2023091000&fh=156&r=ca_e&dpdt=&mc=
Yesterday, a woman who was walking her dog was struck by lightning along Savin Hill Beach in Dorchester around 3:30 or so. There was a burn wound on her chest and an exit wound on her lower back.
Last update I heard was that she is in serious/critical condition at BMC.
12Z GFS 200mb
https://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?m=gfs&p=200wh&rh=2023091012&fh=120&r=conus&dpdt=&mc=
If this were to deepen just a bit and a bit earlier???????
The 12z run is west and coming in line with its 00z run ensembles.
The current slow speed, I think, is going to give Lee seperation from this early week trof.
Interested to see those 12z GEFS ensembles now.
Do they stay consistent and have a mean track close to the 00z GEFS ensembles and 12z GFS op run track ?
Or does the mean come Westward a bit more.
Let’s play the ENSEMBLE game.
Yes 🙂 🙂 🙂
12Z GFS
https://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?rh=2023091012&fh=150&dpdt=&mc=&r=us_ne&p=prateptype_cat-imp&m=gfs
6GFS
https://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?rh=2023091006&fh=156&dpdt=&mc=&r=conus&p=prateptype_cat-imp&m=gfs
0Z gfs
https://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?m=gfs&p=prateptype_cat-imp&rh=2023091000&fh=147&r=conus&dpdt=&mc=
The central Atlantic ridge, I believe, is too far east to push Lee back west, as it appears to turn north, before it reaches 71W longitude.
But, it’s there enough to NOT allow Lee to pack a big right hand turn once it’s northwest of Bermuda. The central Atlantic ridge becomes the big player because this early eeek trof lifts out before fully directing Lee away.
This is the biggest reason I support something like the 12z GfS and 00z GEFS ensemble mean track.
Not 500 miles southeast, but maybe 200 miles southeast to east.
A miss, but not a huge miss.
AS of now. Still watching.
TOO close for comfort if you ask me.
Its not just about the ridge, I think the ULL that is going to be out there might have an impact on track along with the trough.
12Z GDPS (CMC)
https://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?m=gdps&p=prateptype-imp&rh=2023091012&fh=150&r=conus&dpdt=&mc=
0Z
https://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?rh=2023091000&fh=162&dpdt=&mc=&r=conus&p=prateptype-imp&m=gdps
GDPS is almost 2 degrees farther West.
Not liking these trends. Not much farther West for
a real impact to Eastern SNE.
Now what will the ensembles show and almost more importantly, what will the Euro and its ensembles show.
This is truly getting more interesting.
I truly believe it’s the slow movement of Lee now and the models are seeing that this lead trof that gives us rain chances Monday to Wednesday is now going to nudge Lee as far northeast as what looked the last 2 days.
Now = NOT
It lists northeast into Canada before it can impact lee
Right. I find this absolutely fascinating watching this all play out. Likely still a miss, a closer miss perhaps, but still a miss. However, a hit for Eastern SNE is still on the table, I do believe. I don’t the chances are zero. It is something North of 0, how far North is tough to determine.
Agree.
Not that the ICON is a hurricane mode, but still I finding it most interesting!!!!
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/icon/2023091012/icon_mslp_pcpn_neus_49.png
3 for 3 on more western solutions
Next couple of frames of the ICON
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/icon/2023091012/icon_mslp_pcpn_frzn_neus_50.png
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/icon/2023091012/icon_mslp_pcpn_frzn_neus_51.png
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/icon/2023091012/icon_mslp_pcpn_frzn_neus_52.png
As always JpDave, thank you for posting all of this important information !!!!!
Any time. 🙂
Waiting on that damn Euro and I may be out running errands while all of that data comes out. )!@(*#()&*!@()*#()!*@)(#*)
Which might mean the humidity drop off might be brief Thursday.
Even a couple hundred miles offshore, a potential brief NE wind or some rain band retrograding west will saturate the boundary layer and take those 50s Thursday dps probably right back into at least the 60s.
SHHHHHH
Tom and Dave. Thank you both very much for all of your posts.
Sure !
This week after school has been hectic.
On the run like crazy and it’s caught up to me.
Lying here with a soar throat and am run down, so, I’m watching the models before going back to sleep soon.
Feel better!!
Thanks.
Hope you feel better Tom! Appreciate your and JPD’s posts.
Thanks !
I’ll tell you, the fall forecasts I saw from accuweather and TWC for a cool northeast September are likely to fail miserably as there’s signal for more warmth mid month.
If that happens, we’d need to be 10F + below avg the 2nd half of the month to offset what the anomalies likely will be by mid month.
🙂
12Z GFS ensembles are out to 108 hours already. Should be where we want to see them soon. 🙂
Looking at current radar trends, it certainly looks like wet times for the Pat’s game!
Good, maybe that slows down the eagles offense.
How’ Mac with a wet football? Brady was awesome with it!
I believe this track speed correlation is playing out.
For example, the ukmet is further east, but, it has Lee tracking north more quickly.
I believe the mean of the 12z GEFS ensemble is slightly further east than it’s 00z run, but again, it also looks like the 12z brings Lee a little further north slightly more quickly.
I think lees forward speed the next 36-48 hrs is critical. Faster, further east of us, slower, something closer to the northeast and Maritimes.
12z might have stronger individual solutions as it’s mean is running 7mb lower than it’s 00z ensemble.
12Z Ensemble mean has it much farther North than the operational run at 144 hours.
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs-ens/2023091012/gfs-ememb_lowlocs_us_25.png
Again, I say: Too close for comfort
Thank you JpDave, awesome link !!
i want to compare ensemble means on Tropical Tid Bits.
It will be a while before that is available.
Regardless, this thing is just too close to write off.
Sure, still likely to be off shore, but it is awfully close.
Yup.
The 12z euro is going to landfall in Norfolk VA 🙂
Or actually, have it’s further run east, lol.
I think Euro comes in with a 200 mile off shore solution 🙂
12Z GFS emsemble members at 150 hours
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs-ens®ion=us&pkg=lowlocs&runtime=2023091012&fh=150
Compare that to the 6Z ensemble members
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs-ens®ion=us&pkg=lowlocs&runtime=2023091006&fh=156
I’d say that the ensemble mean for 12Z is CLOSER to coast
than the mean for 6Z. How I see it, anyway. 🙂
Thanks TK.
Pitch black and absolutely pouring here again in Coventry with thunder. Already up to 1.10″ and increasing at a rate of 0.1″ per minute. We are going to the Patriots game later and I am afraid we are going to get drenched.
Vicki, I hope your brother is doing better.
Tom, sorry you got caught in the storms down here yesterday. You were very close to us…Willimantic (Windham) is the next town south of us. About 15 min away.
Yes, saw that on maps 🙂
That’s ok. Enjoyed the area very much !
First time I had taken a ride on rte 6 through RI and eastern CT.
Downtown Willimantic is a bit rough but yes, it is a pretty ride through the eastern part of the state towards RI.
Thank you. I’m hearing his labs are improving today. Please be safe at the game.
Lightning visible from the lots at Gillette Stadium. We’re about to have a wet tailgate.
Take care, SAK.
Enjoy the game, too.
Be safe
Resigned to the fact that it’s likely to rain at almost any given moment. Just did shopping on foot and got pretty soaked. It wasn’t heavy rain. But when you’re walking about a mile with groceries the rain seeps through.
https://radar.weather.gov/station/KBOX/standard
Complete deluge continues here, up to 2.20″. Most in the past 45 min.
SAK – where are your seats?
Section 338.
Am at barn with granddaughter. It is just shy if schools and Sutton center. She’ll try to get in a bareback ride. Clouds building. CT looks like a mess.
Wearing my MAC shirt and hope he starts. Am looking forward to celebrating Brady. Got teriyaki wings marinating, Buffalo tenders and potato skins on the menu.
https://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?rh=2023091012&fh=354
Next one. “It’s up to you, New York, New York ….”
Another 1.4 inches in 40 mins to add to the 3.56 from yesterday. I need it stop now! More thunder and lightning too!
Wow North !! I hope it stops !!
Short term models have blown this for two days!
They can’t handle/account for the atmosphere we are in. I truly believe that.
Yup. And competing boundaries in the area for extra convergence.
Those too 🙂
To be a sports pundit in the United States is hard work. I’m not kidding. You have to know A LOT more than any sports pundit in, say, Europe. Because it’s the only major sport over there and due to the simplicity of soccer, which includes the incredibly simple rules of the game but also much less complicated sets of personnel regulations imposed by the leagues (eg, no salary cap or restructuring of contracts, comparatively few roster regulations), the talking heads practically only discuss the games.
Here, on the other hand, it’s a very different story. The Matt Corral and Bailey Zappe saga is Exhibit A. You kind of have to be the equivalent of a tax attorney pouring over the ins and outs of IRS documentation to fully understand what’s going on. When Zappe got cut there was and is so much more to it than him being released. There’s the making it through waivers element, getting placed on the practice squad component and hthen returning to the 53-man roster. None of it is straightforward. It gets far more complicated with Corral. He got placed on the “exempt/left squad” list. When a player leaves a team without notice, the NFL allows teams to place them on a “reserve/did not report” list (more confusing terminology). Further, according to the league, “players who have left their team or stopped playing NFL football but have yet to submit retirement papers … do not count against a team’s roster limit or its salary cap.” And in yet another weird rule the league has, “being placed on this list also means another team cannot claim Corral off waivers.”
This feels a bit like the ending to the old “Soap” sitcom: “Confused, you won’t be after the episode of Soap.” Well, needless to say, nothing really clears up. It’s kind of an endless saga, a true soap opera, in the NFL, from the combine to the intricately complex draft (including all the various trade scenarios) to free agent signings to camps to roster cuts. While the games are important, it’s the intrigue surrounding the rest of it that keeps us interested all year long.
Pouring here now. But we have not had any rain to speak if past couple of days. So sorry for areas that are getting a double whammie. And sorry for the celebration at Gillette.
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/13L_gefs_12z.png
Time for Euro.
Seems to be looking better on the infrared picture this afternoon.
Euro east but last few frames, not truly letting Lee escape northeast or eastward.
Certainly discounted yesterdays 12z run completely and I think this is too far east.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the ensemble avg is slightly west of this op run track.
It’s pretty much the same (op vs ens mean). This is, IMO, the best run of this model with regard to the actual meteorology of the situation taking into account how far away from it we still are. In other words, it represents to me the most likely scenario.
Ok, thanks TK !
12z euro eurooff shore
https://ibb.co/vd5mrXb
JpDave, is that the 00z or 12z ensemble ?
It’s the ensembles on the day before it passes by, lol.
🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
The way the models are going it might be!
That may not be a bad idea. 🙂
I was standing in a line at CVS when I tried to post that.
I guess I grabbed the wrong saved file. 🙂 🙂 🙂
Death toll from the earthquake in Morocco is well over 2,150 and expected to rise considerably.
So tragic.
So far, Foxboro has been spared heavy rain, but it’s not that far away. It’s gonna be nasty.
I just hope lightning stays away.
The lightning threat is going down there. That’s shifting eastward on an axis near the front edge of the rain area.
Just in time for the game.
My brother sold his season tickets for this game and opted to watch home & dry. 🙂 Good idea.
Nice! 2nd half looks to trend drier with time it seems. 1.52 here today so far, so just over 5 inches over the two days with more to come. Most of that coming down in a total of 2 1/2 hours or so.
It would appear that way to me. 🙂
12Z Euro Ensembles
https://weather.us/cyclone-tracks/euro/630-w-529-n/2023091012-168-lee.html
12Z Euro operational run.
https://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?rh=2023091012&fh=150&dpdt=&mc=&r=us_ne&p=prateptype_cat-imp&m=gfs
0Z Op run
https://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?m=gfs&p=prateptype_cat-imp&rh=2023091000&fh=147&r=us_ne&dpdt=&mc=
Here’s a friendly reminder: Don’t use the NAM for tropical cyclone forecasting. It’s going to show Lee moving much too far west before any kind of turn.
Now that it’s coming into that range of being “visible” on the model grid, it should be noted.
0-17
0-16
pat missed.
That was what their record will be…
Sure will 👿
Ha ha ha…Don’t think so.
Pete on Lee
https://x.com/petenbcboston/status/1700961362732630473?s=61&t=ce4mJRq91JtL8cJ1kZYs0A
I couldn’r stomach watching any more of the pats game.
The play was disgusting.
We’re just going to have dinner.
maybe they’ll come roaring back and I’ll regret it not likely.
Maybe you should have watched.
we put it back on just b4 half
Good call
You’re not watching Brady?
They weren’t airing it until after the game on 5th quarter and the website looks to have crashed to watch on patriots.com. How did you see.
I didn’t. I thought it was coming up. What the heck.
So we can see if later?
Heck btw was not first word that came to mind. Pathetic
Yeah on 5th quarter is what I heard, which is usually on TV38
Down by 2 points and halftime against one of the best teams in the league yet half the fan-base has already written them off (based on the posts I’ve been seeing). Ciao “fans”. Go find another team. We don’t want you back. 😉
You know I agree.
Watched it on Facebook live. You didn’t miss much, it was very anticlimactic.
Darn. I’ll still watch.
Lol. They are going to honor him 8n the offseason in a 6-12-2024 celebration they said on CBS, as part of inducting him into the Patriots Hall of Fame. 6 for his number of rings and 12 for his number.
I heard this was just the appetizer. Thanks,North
We’re getting closer and the models don’t know what to do.
Lovely.
See 18z gfs
Cutoff retrograding transitioning to extra tropical system.
Looping around cape cod.
Thanks for more clarity.
144 hrs out now.
Think we’ll get an answer 12 hrs out ??
Yikes. This is where TK says 18z doesn’t get all the data lol. Remember years ago when it didn’t?
Indeed 🙂 🙂 🙂
I think that scenario has 0.00000000001% chance of happening.
The point is …… it doesn’t add another tally to the OTS enough column.
oh really
Yeah 🙂
No eastern us cutoff low but it seems to almost form a cutoff underneath us that sucks it in. No, I can’t buy what this showed.
But, I do think it can be a sign that whatever Lee is at our latitude, it’s not going to be too far to our southeast.
yikes
Nah, this is were TK says “ensembles, not run-to-run op models, other than for entertainment value”. 😉
The op is a member of the wrong ensemble lol.
This is where Vicki says I have no idea what everyone is talking about. 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
Nice play #6
GEFS ensemble 18z
https://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?m=gefsens&p=sfcwind_mslp-mean&rh=2023091018&fh=156&r=conus&dpdt=&mc=
Hmmmm
Win or lose, this is one heck of a game with a top team.
Although I could do without the announcers.
He was out.
Well, the Pats made it a game and without some errors “could” have won this game. They can play with the elite teams, so they
“should” be OK this year. 🙂
Glad we gave the game another chance. 🙂
Me too ❤️
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/sat/satlooper.php?region=13L&product=ir
Lee’s eye is back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwWsjRx4rbo
Lol !
Ok, so we’re supposed to look at the ensembles, then what about this?
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs-ens/2023091018/gfs-ememb_lowlocs_us_26.png
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs-ens/2023091018/gfs-ememb_lowlocs_us_27.png
Couple this with today’s 12Z runs and I think we have a system that can threaten Eastern SNE.
Let’s see what the 0Z runs show tonight.
I smell a rat, a big bleepin rat with………
Even if you see that it just doesn’t suddenly mean it’s right. You look at several runs and watch for trends, not sudden jumps. Those are almost never indicative of anything that will come to fruition.
Of course, I know that. The trends are looking worse and worse. Can’t deny that. 🙂
We shall see. Certainly needs to be watched.
Only from one model, really.
I see nothing today that makes me change my ideas.
That’s fine. I think it comes more West than you currently think. But I am NOT degreed in Meteorology, just Math and Physics. 🙂
We’ll have more fun with this yet.
Not that anyone takes this model seriously, but the JMA model
keeps bringing Lee closer. Still off shore, but closer
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/jma/2023091012/jma_mslpaNorm_us_8.png
Recon plane finding pressure at 952 mb
5PM NHC discussion has Lee getting back to 140 mph.
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS
INIT 10/2100Z 22.1N 61.7W 105 KT 120 MPH
12H 11/0600Z 22.7N 62.7W 115 KT 130 MPH
24H 11/1800Z 23.3N 63.9W 120 KT 140 MPH
36H 12/0600Z 23.8N 65.1W 120 KT 140 MPH
48H 12/1800Z 24.2N 66.2W 115 KT 130 MPH
60H 13/0600Z 24.7N 67.0W 105 KT 120 MPH
72H 13/1800Z 25.6N 67.6W 100 KT 115 MPH
96H 14/1800Z 28.9N 68.0W 90 KT 105 MPH
120H 15/1800Z 33.6N 67.4W 80 KT 90 MPH
Agree with Vicki on two counts: 1. This was an entertaining game in spite of the loss; 2. I could do without the announcers. In fact, I muted it at a certain point. I really can’t stand them.
Exciting to see teams going for it so often on 4th down, but there were some questionable decisions by both teams.
I had trouble hearing the announcers over the din of the crowd!
NOT enjoyable at all.
The game, on the other hand, was entertaining after the bull shit of the 1st quarter.
The pats can play WITH ANYONE!!!!
Comparison of today’s 12Z Euro esembles with last night’s )Z run.
0Z
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=eps®ion=us&pkg=lowlocs&runtime=2023091000&fh=174
12Z
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=eps®ion=us&pkg=lowlocs&runtime=2023091012&fh=162
What I think we learned today:
1) the incoming trof is likely to lift without tugging Lee as far east as first thought
2) now, we’re seeing the models current idea of what can happen to Lee after the trof lifts
BUT …..
There will probably be adjustments to the flow after the trof lifts and so, I only feel more confident that this first trof doesn’t affect Lee as much as we first thought.
After that, I think we still need to see more days of info for Lee say ……. when it’s out over the ocean, we’ll east of, oh ……… Georgia/SC, NC, etc
Agreed, but the door has been at least cracked open. 🙂
To me, today had some dramatic developments.
Of course, they could all be dashed to all hell tomorrow. 🙂
I wish we had new runs EVERY HOUR!!!!!
That sounds good to me !
You’d never get anything else done Dave. 😛 haha
When it is storm time, I NEVER get anything done.
I put my efforts where it is MOST important. 🙂 🙂
I admire your enthusiasm. I’ll say that. 🙂
I think you missed your calling as a YouTube star with a weather and computer model commentary channel. 😉
ha ha ha
The NHC Hurricane models are beginning to get to the range where they give hints to what Lee might do up this way.
So today is closer than yesterday or am I reading backwards
I believe ALL models were closer today than yesterday.
The most dramatic was the GFS and the ICON. The GDPS and the Euro, only a little closer, but still closer.
Thank you.
Here are a couple of charts from the Hurricane model HAFS-A
Surface at 126 hours from run time (18Z)
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=hafsa-p®ion=13L&pkg=mslp_wind&runtime=2023091018&fh=120
200 mb winds, same time
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=hafsa-p®ion=13L&pkg=uv200&runtime=2023091018&fh=120
Looks to me like this could be sucked NNW to over or just off of Cape Cod. IN other words, TOO CLOSE FOR COMFORT.
I think that the 0Z Euro will be very telling.
It will probably end up 500 miles off shore. 🙂
I seriously don’t think so. I would expect the status quo or
perhaps a very slight tic either West or East 🙂
We shall see between 2 and 3 AM tomorrow morning. 🙂
NOT staying up for it, but it will be the FIRST thing I look at in the morning. 🙂
Not for nothing, but it will be almost equally interesting to see IF
the GFS holds course. 🙂
Listening to the MUFFS right now. Will be watching Suits Soon. 🙂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SiHQtkrPwE
Enjoy. JPD if you do get to the end of suits, I think I can add yiu to my peacock so you can watch season 9. It was my favorite season
thanks. My wife has gotten into it. It’s pretty entertaining.
I can’t believe the dirty deeds happening all of the time.
We’ll figure out how to watch season 9. Worse case I get Peacock for one month and cancel. 🙂
I honestly am happy to share so please keep in mind. I love that you and Mrs OS are enjoying
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/13L_gefs_18z.png
2 thoughts ….
A) the 5 western ensemble members probably skew the dark line a bit westward at our latitude
B) outside of a few ensembles, the vast majority stay at or west of 65W Longitude. In contrast, I’m thinking Franklin was back to 60W longitude by the time it had reached close to 40N latitude.
Best case, Lee stays off shore, but likely closer than many thought. Worse case, well we won’t go there.
Watch, they’ll be some development that will shove Lee 600-700 miles off shore. Everything up to know was to suck us in and keep us entertained. 🙂
I’m ready for it.
No one can question that wehave not been entertained. Thank you again Dave and Tom and I know JJ and north have been adding fun to the conversation also. Great blog
I enjoy the bleep out of ALL storm watching, Winter, Spring, Summer and Autumn. I’d be lost without this blog.
I do also.
2nd
Won’t Lee be more of a Nor’easter than a Hurricane by the time it gets that close to NE?
A very strong one. At worse it would be a low end Cat 2 or a Cat 1. At best it would be a strong tropical storm or a decent Extra Tropical N’oreaster.
But if it stays off shore, it doesn’t matter what it is.
It should be in the process of transition as it goes by our latitude, but the water’s been pretty warm out there so even that can be slightly delayed, but that would potentially keep the wind field tighter. The expansion usually takes place with the transition to post-tropical.
Thank you Jp and Tk!
Is the HWFI regarded as a solid hurricane model ?
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/13L_tracks_latest.png
Oh wait, it’s purple, not red 🙂
Still one of the more western ones.
When hurricanes or storms more generally occur over the ocean we call them “fish storms.” My question is, strong storms must to some degree still cause a lot of habitat disruption among fishes and whales, for that matter.
Always interesting to see how linguini models/plots change from run to run.
As someone who has studied economic forecasting I know that models can change, but generally on a weekly or monthly basis. certainly not on a 6-hour basis. Of course this has to do with the continuous data coming in for weather models, as opposed to mostly discrete periodic data for economic models.
Hahahaahha. Love linguini models. And could it be because weather changes by the minute unlike numbers. Or do they?
Except for some early mistakes I think the pats had a good game ( not mistake free ) but once Mack got settled I think he had a decent game . Unfortunately # 2 will not be easy even at home as Miami had a big win today . Let’s see how they handle week # 2 after todays tough loss .
I agree. And never correct spelling. Well clearly not never. But my guess is you understand. Mac. No k. ❤️
Please know I’m teasing.
My Cowboys are dismantling the Giants right now.
Yay. I’m thinking of following them too. If I can find their games.
Hey look. Euro has one scenario eight through Sutton
https://imgur.com/a/BDKxF2r
And it stops to see me right before you!
Well now. Isn’t he polite
Thoughts on the Patriots.
Defense
1. Overall good
2. Still see the Patriots weakness are mobile duel threat QBs
3. Secondary at times played to soft, several times in which they might have had more interceptions
Offense.
1. Mac Jones did good, most of those drops were because of his recievers having butterfingers when it was raining.
2. Hunter Henry, Elliott, Stevenson, and KB
3. Boutte showed promise but man put your darn feet down.
4. That O-Line doesn’t give Mac Jones all that much time.
If I was bill I would be soaking up those balls and even getting the recievers soaking wet while at practice because of all the drop balls
0z GFS
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs®ion=neus&pkg=mslp_pcpn_frzn&runtime=2023091100&fh=132
0z CMC and ICON are further offshore but hammer Eastern ME and Nova Scotia.
Poor Nova Scotia. Their location is nowhere near the tropics or Bermuda or the SE USA and yet, they usually end up bearing the brunt of much of the tropical activity. I would be curious as to how they compare to Bermuda in terms of “landfall”.
Well, since Bermuda covers about 1% of the landmass that Nova Scotia does, that’s not exactly a fair comparison. Also, most of the storms that make it to Atlantic Canada are usually extratropical or undergoing extratropical transition.
absolutely agree 100%
They bear the brunt of transitioning storms because that’s where the western Atlantic storms often end up tracking. It’s just how the basin is and the geography around it. It’s always been that way, but most of their storms are, as mentioned, transitioning or already transitioned and are just windy rainstorms. They get plenty of those and can happen year-round, ‘cept the cold season ones are often with snow. 🙂
As mentioned, with Bermuda being only 1% the size of NS, it’s not really a scientifically fair comparison even without taking into account tropical vs non-tropical. Nova Scotia has been impacted by storms that were still considered tropical, but many more that were transitioning or already post-tropical. I don’t have time to pick out the storms that have hit NS as still tropical, but there have been a 29 hurricanes to make landfall in all of Canada (west – which is extremely rare – and east – which is more common) since 1950. Maybe SAK the stats guy can dig up the NS tropical landfalls, but it’s certainly much less than 29 we know. I believe there have been 11 direct hurricane landfalls on Bermuda since 1951, but again it’s IMPORTANT TO NOTE that with Bermuda being 1% the size of Nova Scotia, I’m no expert math guy but your odds of taking a direct hit on Bermuda in a given location are much higher. And since Bermuda is so small anyway, a direct hit anywhere on the island is pretty much a direct hit on the entire island. 😉
https://radar.weather.gov/station/KBOX/standard
Flood watch in effect, eastern parts of southern New England.
https://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?m=gfs&p=prateptype_cat-imp&rh=2023091100&fh=144&r=conus&dpdt=&mc=
https://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?m=gfs&p=sfctd-imp&rh=2023091100&fh=144&r=us_ne&dpdt=&mc=
Here’s the 00z GFS location at our latitude.
Here are the dps, which drop some hint that we’d be dealing with something more extra tropical vs tropical.
https://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?m=ecmwf_full&p=sfcwind_mslp&rh=2023091100&fh=150&r=us_ne&dpdt=&mc=
https://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?m=ecmwf_full&p=sfctd-imp&rh=2023091100&fh=150&r=us_ne&dpdt=&mc=
00z euro at our latitude and dps.
Again, dp map not what see you see if your going to get a tropical system clobbering.
So, we did the windshield wiper left yesterday.
I’m thinking the wipers are on and are probably headed somewhat back to the right today as the models get some new data on what the 500 mb flow will look like after this first trof lifts out.
I hope it’s back to the right a bit because the current scenario would really whip the ocean up and combined with a new moon, would cause a good bit of coastal erosion and perhaps some flooding.
I’m pretty sure the Jan 2018 low had a mid 960s pressure and wasn’t too far from the 00z op runs track, with a similar pressure and that was good for a 4 ft storm surge with mostly N winds.
I just compared the last 3 Euro runs and each one got a little bit
closer to the coast. Now we’ll see what the 12Z run brings.
Still looks like an off shore solution, but how far off shore is the question. Do the outer rain bands get in here or not and as you describe above, surge and wave action.
I’m putting imaginary money on a swing back to the right. 😉
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