2:02AM
A strong storm will track up the East Coast today through Thursday with the center likely passing close to Cape Cod MA early Thursday. This storm will be progressive and move away quickly later Thursday, but during its passage it will produce a variety of precipitation along with some strong wind. Cold air in place to start with will allow for snow to occur in much of the region at the onset (though milder ocean area will have already made it warm enough for mix/rain along the South Coast and Cape Cod). How quickly the snow comes in will determine how fast it can accumulate before milder air from the ocean changes it to mix and then rain along the East Coast then pushing inland possibly as far as the 495 belt, even north of the Mass Pike. There will likely be a very sharp gradient in this region from very little snow to a rapid buildup to significant accumulation. It all winds down Thursday, though some of the heaviest precipitation may be around during the morning commute (rain coast and some distance inland, mix/snow far inland). Strongest winds from the east may also occur early Thursday morning with some coastal flooding and minor wind damage possible. Everything winds down later Thursday. Friday is a quieter and colder day behind the storm, setting the stage for a weekend snow threat as another low pressure area moves up and off the East Coast. Early indications are that this low will be further south and east and may take its heavier precipitation offshore with it, but it’s far enough way that confidence is low and this system needs to be watched.
Updated forecast for eastern MA, RI, and southern NH…
TODAY: Sunshine gives way to clouds. Snow possible by late afternoon south and west of Boston except mix South Coast. Highs 33-38. Wind NE 5-15 MPH.
WEDNESDAY NIGHT: Overcast. Snow developing all areas except mix to rain south of Boston eventually working north and northwest into the 95 belt. Up to a few inches of snow possible before the change over, especially north and west of Boston. Several inches of snow may accumulate in the 495 belt north of the Mass Pike. Lows 28-33 early then rising slowly. Wind NE-E 10-20 MPH gusting to 30 MPH in some eastern coastal areas.
THURSDAY: Cloudy with rain except some mix still possible in interior southern NH and north central MA, tapering off later in the day. Highs 35-45 from northwest to southeast. Wind E 20-30 MPH with higher gusts, shifting to N.
FRIDAY: Partly cloudy. Low 26. High 38.
SATURDAY: Mostly cloudy. PM snow. Low 22. High 31.
SUNDAY: Mostly cloudy. AM snow. Low 25. High 30.
MONDAY: Mostly sunny. Low 16. High 30.
Thank you TK.
Watched BB on BZ this am. His snow map showed D-2″, 2-4″ 4-8″ and a foot plus the further NNW you go from Boston. Then a conversion to rain for most MA areas and then showers on the back end. For the Boston area, some front and accumulation, but the story is about “messiness” more than snow. Also mentioned high winds.
Winter Storm Warnings and Winter Storm Watches have been issued for parts of MA.
Barry also forecasting the weekend storm as OTS.
Thanks TK.
A wintry mess on the way with the track coming to close to us to keep it from a snowier solution. The weekend storm POTENTIAL I think stays over the fish. I hope that changes since that would be a snow track for us.
Wish I saw something that would provide white vs. wet for eastern areas but I just don’t see it with that low track.
WSW posted for 12-16 inches and locally higher amounts. Just like Mark I have not been this excited in a long time. Just wish you all were as well in SNE.
http://www.wcsh6.com/weather/forecast/extra.aspx
Enjoy Hadi !!
Credit to channel 6 Maine weather.
Take it all in for us!
Thanks TK !!
23F at Logan, I believe by far the coldest so far this cold season. However, Caribou, ME is 15F and the pressures are slowly falling already, indicating high pressure in retreat.
Taunton has slightly blinked once already, lowering the snow totals. The high wind watch is now up to the north shore and I dont think thats for a northerly surface wind.
I had momentary weakness towards a colder solution yesterday afternoon, but after fallling asleep at 7pm yesterday, my senses are back
I think the Taunton NWS snow totals will need one more adjustment to the Northwest about 50 miles and then they’ll be good.
Nice graphic Tom!! I am about 10 miles south of Augusta so hoping close to the 16 :). Not be greedy or anything.
Out of curiosity what triggered you to say 2-4 inches yesterday?
Hi Hadi.
Well, if I look at the 36 hr panel on the 12/26 0z GFS, the 1,000-500 mb 540 thickness is forecast to be over Albany, NY then goes northeastward thru the central White Mtns and heads east-northeastward to just inland along the Maine coastline. If we went by that, wow, these snow forecasts are going to bust even worst than I think, because isnt the 540 thickness an important tool on where to expect rain vs. snow ?
So, I do believe in trying to post all info to give all views of an upcoming storm and I only thought it right to post a Maine channel’s snowfall map.
I just hope the area you are in is far enough away from the coastline, thats all !! Believe me, I hope the ch 6 forecast verifies, especially after how long its been without a good snowstorm. I wrote 2 to 4, so, once its in writing, I cant take it back.
We shall see , the 540 line stays south and east of our area but its close. I am confident in nearly all snow with maybe a touch of sleet at the end of the storm. Alcoa more important to look at short range models vs. global models.
NEEW on FB calling local mets stupid and they will have an accumulation map for Boston by 12 noon…… Hmmmmm
Well that would be an unexpected treat, for sure! Enjoy the snow in ME, Hadi! My son’s now in Tiffin, OH which are under Blizzard Warnings.
I would like to see what data they are looking at.
I have not given Boston a number for the on the 1-4 Snow Index since I think whatever wintry precipitation they get goes quickly over to rain. Areas west of the I-95 corridor are at a 1 since there will be some accumulation. Farther west I have at 2 since those areas could exceed 4 inches of snowfall.
Agreed JJ. I think they have their own model up there.
15 degrees with freezing fog this morning here in northern Oneida county in central NY. We have about 8″ of snow on the ground right now. NWS Binghamton calling for 10-16 inches for our area with most occurring in a four hour period of 2-3″ per hour snows between 9pm and 1am tonight. The local mets even here are concerned that some mixing could impact these totals in eastern areas. However, The NWS did mention that the 0z runs of both the GFS and NAM initialized too warm and that the euro and cmc were colder.
If your in Boston or close to it look at whats happening in D.C. in Baltimore with the very quick burst of snow and notice how just as fast the rain is moving in there. Thats what I think plays out here. I would be surprised if Boston records an inch from this.
If NEEW ends up correct with an accumulation for Boston I will give them praise on this blog.
Thanks, TK.
If I had a choice we’d get either all snow or all rain. I would rather have all snow then have any ice. But at this point, I don’t think anyone is absolutely sure where the snow/ice/rain line will be or when or where the precip. will turn to all rain, except the Cape and South coast area. I am guessing that MetroWest area of MA will receive some ice and sleet at some point. I just hope it doesn’t last that long.
Indianapolis area getting dumped on significantly right now with heavy snow !!!
Georgia’s Bank ocean buoy (about 180 miles east of Hyannis)
Air temp : 66F, Water Temp : 67F. Why dont they do the polar plunge activities out there ? I might even put a toe in from the boat.
Tom, I thought you were joking, but here it is.
Clearly this is in Error or is an old reading or the instruments
are stuck or some other malfunction!
GEORGES BANK 170 NM East of Hyannis, MA
(44011) 41.1333N 65.0948W
Last Updated: Dec 26 2012, 8:50 am AST
Wed, 26 Dec 2012 08:50:00 -0400
Temperature: 66.2 °F (19.0 °C)
MSL Pressure: 1017.0 mb
Water Temperature: 66.9 °F (19.4 °C)
Wave Height: 2.4 m (7.87 ft)
Dominant Period: 11 sec
Average Period: 7.6 sec
Not sure. I seem to recall in reading Sebastian Junger’s book The Perfect Storm, that out by George’s Bank, you encounter the northern edge of the gulf stream and suddenly, the air can go from being very cold to quite mild.
Well maybe so, but my money is on some kind of error.

Agreed, as it does seem very, very warm.
Low clouds appearing in the eastern and southeastern part of the sky, moving northeast to southwest.
Well, I thought for sure you were going to say SE to NW!!!
NE to SW is a GOOD sign for at least the front end snow before
the mid-level warms. Had it been the other way, the boundary layer
would warm too much prior to precipitation onset.
NEEW are so confidant…. Makes no sense but I guess we shall see.
UGH!!! My Meter is rising. Oh wait a minute, it broke previously!
Perhaps some front end snow, then down the tubes from there.
And to add insult to injury, sure looks like weekend storm is OTS!
Time for that to change, but doesn’t look so hot right now.
What is all this talk about from NEWW?
I wouldn’t believe a word they say. I think everyone on this blog could make
a better forecast than they.
They sound like the Farmers’ Almanac with the confidence. The storm so far is behaving itself.
12z nam just crushes us here in Maine. Man I am pumped up!!
Hadi, please ENJOY it for the rest of us!!
The 12z NAM’s 540 thickness is soooooooo far northwest, again if I am reading correctly, its up by Burlington, VT, NH/Canada border and into central Maine. Its low is across eastern Long Island and over the south shore of Boston.
The good news…..at its initialized point, the 546 thickness is over Washington, DC, which would mean rain right now and DC is reporting 34F with light snow, so clearly it is initialized to mild.
Way too mild Tom on the NAM.
Look at this Tom
http://mag.ncep.noaa.gov/NCOMAGWEB/appcontroller?page=Image&prevPage=Param&image=..%2FGemPakTier%2FMagGemPakImages%2Fnam%2F20121226%2F12%2Fnam_namer_039_850_temp_mslp_precip.gif&fcast=039&model=NAM&area=NAMER&storm=&areaDesc=North+America+-+US+Canada+and+northern+Mexico&cat=MODEL+GUIDANCE&rname=SFC-LAYER+PARMS&pname=850_temp_mslp_precip&cycle=12%2F26%2F2012+12UTC&imageSize=M&currKey=model&scrollx=0&scrolly=0&prevArea=NAMER&prevImage=yes
This is what TOM meant and he is correct:
http://mag.ncep.noaa.gov/NCOMAGWEB/appcontroller?page=Image&prevPage=Param&image=..%2FGemPakTier%2FMagGemPakImages%2Fnam%2F20121226%2F12%2Fnam_namer_030_1000_500_thick.gif&fcast=030&model=NAM&area=NAMER&storm=&areaDesc=North+America+-+US+Canada+and+northern+Mexico&cat=MODEL+GUIDANCE&rname=SFC-LAYER+PARMS&pname=1000_500_thick&cycle=12%2F26%2F2012+12UTC&imageSize=M&currKey=model&scrollx=0&scrolly=87&prevArea=NAMER&prevImage=yes
This is nuts.
I saw that clearly a model error from the knowledge I know.
I think they are joke OS. Just pointing out what they are saying.
Oh, Clearly understood!
From NEWW 9 minutes ago:
Looking at the latest shows that the biggest Pressure falls have now shifted to North Carolina, indication that the transfer or secondary new low is just where we had it a week ago. It’s not over the Delmarva Peninsula as the GFS had it. Going to be fun Bean Town.
New England Weather Works
about an hour ago
Where do these TV Meteorologists get their forecasts, was Just watching one out of Boston, No names please, but all I can say is WOOOOOW, He tracks the Low center right across Massachusetts exiting this baby into the Boston Harbor. Going to be a lot of surprised Boston residents come tomorrow Morning.
Look at this from grey nws office, something to keep an eye in SNE. Granted no snow pack but stil…..
—1330Z UPDATE—
TEMPERATURES ACROSS THE REGION ARE RUNNING 5-9F DEGREES COLDER
THAN FORECASTED…PRESUMABLY DUE TO STRONG RADIATIONAL COOLING
ABOVE NEW SNOWPACK. WILL UPDATE THE FORECAST TO ACCOUNT FOR THIS.
THIS MAY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON HOW PRECIPITATION STARTS
TONIGHT.
I am not a big fan of the NAM at all. It over does the precipitation.
Another thing to remember with this storm system are the winds and they could be gusting. I would not be surprised if there are some power outages across SNE.
Here you go Tom, pretty much throw out the NAM for temps.
STORM MOVING ACROSS THE SOUTH AND EAST
======================================
PREFERENCE: NON-NAM COMPROMISE WITH AVERAGE CONFIDENCE
INITIALLY, THE 00Z NAM APPEARS TO BE 2-3C TOO WARM WITH ITS 850
HPA FREEZING LINE ACROSS VIRGINIA/MARYLAND AND THE UPPER OHIO
VALLEY. THE 00Z GFS PROBLEMS ARE CONSTRAINED TO A 2-3C ERROR IN
THE UPPER OHIO VALLEY. THESE 850 HPA TEMPERATURE ERRORS HAVE
POSSIBLE IMPLICATIONS FOR THEIR FORECAST WINTER WEATHER
PRECIPITATION TYPES EARLY ON. SEE WINTER WEATHER
GRAPHICS/PRODUCTS FROM HPC AND LOCAL FORECAST OFFICES FOR MORE ON
SNOW/SLEET/FREEZING RAIN EXPECTATIONS WITH THIS CYCLONE.
DURING THE SHORT RANGE PERIOD, THE 00Z NAM BECOMES A SLOWER THAN
THE REMAINDER OF THE GUIDANCE WITH THE SYSTEM MOVING THROUGH THE
NORTHEAST FROM LATE THURSDAY ONWARD, AND LIES NEAR THE SOUTHWEST
CORNER OF THE 12Z GLOBAL ENSEMBLE SPREAD WITH ITS ASSOCIATED
SURFACE LOW POSITION FRIDAY MORNING. TREND-WISE, THE GUIDANCE HAS
STRENGTHENED THIS SYSTEM OVER THEIR PAST DAY OF RUNS, BUT THE NAM
HAS STOPPED TRENDING QUICKER/NORTHEAST. WITH THE 21Z SREF/00Z
GEFS/12Z ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEANS SUPPORTING THE QUICKER NON-NAM
CONSENSUS, THE PREFERENCE IS FOR A NON-NAM COMPROMISE HERE WITH
AVERAGE CONFIDENCE CONSIDERING ITS PROGRESSIVE NATURE.
Ok, its in the trash
….. But, stored in the back of my mind, just in case.
Look at this VA radar. Notice the clear indication of cold air damming.
AND the slugs of precipitation in Eastern NC. Hmmm???????
Nowcasting is commencing.
Well it would have been nice to post the link. Sorry. Here it is:
http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?region=fcx&animate=true
Nowcasting continuing. Notice the last few frames of this
water vapor loop. Where is all of the action setting up?
Eastern NC, that’s where.
http://weather.rap.ucar.edu/satellite/displaySat.php?region=BWI&itype=wv&size=small&endDate=20121226&endTime=-1&duration=12
Models to me have a tough time with cold air damning situations.
Any implications to the Northeast/Boston forecast if you throw out the NAM?
Captain,
Clearly there could be. It “could” mean a more prolonged
period of snow at the front end. I emphasize “could”. We’ll just have to watch and see. If that wind has too much of an Easterly component, it will rain on the coast no matter what the mid-level temps are.
Roger/thx
On the plus side, the strong vertical upward motion and heavy precip should help to cool the column …..
On the negative side, remember that icing event just away from the coastline a week or so ago. About 6 to 10 hrs prior to the event, the sfc pressures were around 30.60 inches and it was -2F in Caribou, ME. Today the sfc pressures are around 30.30 inches and its 14F in Caribou, so I do think the resistance is going to be as strong this time. Weaker high pressure to start and a much stronger ocean breeze.
Cape Cod already in the rain column (no surprises there) ……
9am temps …..
Hyannis, 38F ……. Chatham, 36F …… Nantucket, 39F with dewpoints of 25 to 30F.
NWS binghamton mentioned that not only the Nam, but also the Gfs, have been initializing too warm.
Is today the day for SURPRISES? probably not. We’re just reaching I’m sure.
But we’ll be watching just the same.
Ok how about a forecast for where Mark is and I am in Maine. Lets see who nails the snow totals.
Mark : 9.7 inches of snow, Hadi : 3.6 inches then a 4 to 5 hr period of sleet to cold rain, followed by a transition back to snow that accumulates 1.5 inches.
Boy Tom you are not buying into big snow totals here in Maine
oZ GFS Ensemble mean:
http://raleighwx.americanwx.com/models/gfsensemble/00zgfsensemble850mbTSLPUS096.gif
Hmmmmm
DUH! Sorry all. The above is for the weekend storm. My Bad.
I got all excited for nothing_!(@*(#&*(!@&#&!@*&#!*(
That is certainly not a coastal hugger being depicted there.
I wonder IF that is what NEWW are hanging their hats on????
I’m going to look at the 0Z Euro ensemble mean.
http://raleighwx.americanwx.com/models/gfs/00zgfs850mbTSLPNA036.html
What a difference from the GFS ensemble mean.
Something is up here. Let’s keep watching!
It would have been better to compare the same thing.
Guess what, Even though I clicked on the Euro ensemble,
I actually got the GFS. So the above IS the GFS ensemble mean.
There are some glitches on that website.
oh good that its goin to snow up north of rt 2 and every where buy where i live. precipitation from snow to rain but that rain line will have a real easy time getting up to 128 and 495 by around 3am. not much snow accumulation inside of 495. it changed from last night much warmer solutions that last night.
Tom, I’m with you with about 10″ for my location near Rome, NY. I’m more concerned with getting dry slotted here than mixing but either way, I think it will be tough to achieve 16″. Further west near Rochester, I could see someone hitting that with lake enhancement.
Mark I am with on your number I just can’t understand 3.6 inches here in Augusta.
Hadi, I’m going with a foot for your area. You’ll get most of the precip falling in the form of heavy snow before any changeover, if there even is one. If not, I could see you getting 14 or 15″!
I agree even if a changeover occurs it way late in the game to affect totals.
Tom explain how they can be sooooo wrong, you are always so good so I want to hear your thoughts once again.
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?x=214&y=141&site=gyx&zmx=1&zmy=1&map_x=214&map_y=141
Position of coastal low, deeper low pressure area so the resistance near and within a good 50 to 100 miles of the coastline, I think, is going to be weak, weaker high pressure ahead of the storm ( only 30.30 inches vs last week’s icing system of 30.60 inches ), above normal ocean temps of 1 to 2 celcius. All it takes is to get a sliver of mildness in the overall column, combined with enough mildness at the boundary layer 33F or 34F for a few hrs during a storm and poof, that can change a big, big snowfall into more of an advisory level snowfall.
Yeah I guess but as temps are running 10 below guidance can’t bite on that. You are basing these chances on the nam temps which is tricky to do. It’s funny climate wise here, it can be 35 degrees on I-95 and 5 degrees colder at my in laws. Local climatology as a role.
Has anyone looked at the HRRR?
HRRR??????????????????????
High Resolution Rapid Refresh.
Found it.
Link:
http://rapidrefresh.noaa.gov/hrrraviation/
Nice find Coastal!!!
http://rapidrefresh.noaa.gov/hrrraviation/displayMap.cgi?keys=hrrr:&runtime=2012122612&plot_type=1hsnw_sfc&fcst=14&time_inc=60&num_times=16&model=hrrr&ptitle=HRRR%20Model%20Fields&maxFcstLen=15&fcstStrLen=-1&domain=full&adtfn=1&wjet=1
Here is the current HRRR 1 hour snowfall accumulation map for 15 hours out
from 12Z or 10PM I think.
http://rapidrefresh.noaa.gov/hrrraviation/displayMap.cgi?keys=hrrr:&runtime=2012122612&plot_type=1hsnw_sfc&fcst=15&time_inc=60&num_times=16&model=hrrr&ptitle=HRRR%20Model%20Fields&maxFcstLen=15&fcstStrLen=-1&domain=full&adtfn=1&wjet=1
If I am not mistaken, that shows some 3 inch hourly rates in SW CT.
Impressive! I wonder which models it uses. It says it is experimental.
NEEW are really thinking something is up. Telling everyone to get snow blowed and shovel ready in Boston.
New England Weather Works
Pressure falling rapidly now in southeast VA, a lot of Boston wx forecasts are going to go down in flames, we are readying an important map for all of southern New England, get the shovels and snow blowers fired up.
I’m not ready to bite on that. Let’s just watch that rain/snow line today to our south.
I do like the last few frames in Northern Va. showing the line having pressed a little S/SE.
It’s time to watch the weather now.
I don’t know what to think at the moment other than that’s a lot of juice to our south.
I’m happy to see temps here at 26 with 12 dew point though.
hoping for a little more southern tug obviously…. 50 miles would get me in the 12″ zone and put some of you guys in the coastal plain in play.
I so agree retrac. It’s not far for you.
Marshfield’s in the rain column, again no surprise….boy, those low clouds were a sign of ocean mildness….. The temp has zoomed up to 37F…..
Matt Noyes not budging on his forecast..I’m hoping for some BIG Surprises!!
I don’t see any changes on GFS… Its going to be all about nowcasting. Keep watching the radar south of us.
Despite the early pressure falls over VA, parent storm is so strong that it is sending a surge of warmth northeastward ahead of it. That coupled with A very strong easterly wind component ahead of the developing coastal storm is going to quickly overwhelm the cold air damming in SNE. I think Taunton’s totals are overdone. When there is concern for significant mixing as far west as Albany and Utica, it usually doesn’t bear very well for snow in SNE. There’s too much energy with the parent low which is too far west
If the coastal gets going in the right position, it will cut off that
warm surge. Question is, when and where does it get going.
Btw, I do believe that it will.
Forget models at this point, nowcasting time.
Speaking of that. An awful lot of energy being exhibited near the coast.
Look at that tornado box, North of the warm front. There is much going on
down there:
http://weather.unisys.com/satellite/sat_sfc_map.gif
Since 70% of the mass population lives in eastern mass, most of us see lots of rain esp if you live in the Boston to Providence corridor, I do not see this being a big deal for eastern and southeastern mass
All of the fb post I’m seeing all say lots of rain except for 1 person that’s in Nashua, but Nashua far from me, good luck
New England Weather Works
Looking at the latest Observations we are noticing that pressure is falling rapidly in southeast Virginia, this is an indication that the primary storm is now transferring it’s energy to the coast, this is also further south than the GFS and NAM were forecasting it. Both the GFS and NAM were forecasting 2-3 c 850 freezing line incorrectly, this has a major impact on snow fall in Southern New England and on the NH and Maine coast.
We think the track is likely to be where we had it last week, south of Nantucket, this will be a significant coastal storm, will have to implant high wind warnings for coastal New England and a possible mariner storm warning later, expect Blizzard conditions in parts of New England on Thursday, not very confident in a change to rain along the Maine NH coast so will up the accumulations there later this afternoon.
12Z GFS has primary storm transfer energy to a coastal that sets up
in Eastern VA, but inland just a bit, not on or off the coast. Then it tracks
NE passing right over Cape Cod, but throwing the 850mb 0C lines to MA/NH border.
As Hadi said, time to Nowcast.
It had it transferring to near Richmond earlier in the week which never made sense to me.
been watching wind direction from places like Trenton on wunder. for a bit. Winds there are more northery than easterly.
http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?animate=true
I’m confused, the precip appears to be near nyc now. I saw some forecast say it doesn’t start here until after 9pm. So it takes 11 hours for it to travel 180 miles? Traveling at 16.36 MPH?
Excuse me. 10 hours at 18 miles a hour.
Coastal, The northern edge of those radar echos are aloft. The precip is not
reaching the ground as it evaporates (sublimates) in the dry air before reaching the ground.
The NEXRAD radar better shows where the precip is making
it to the ground:
http://www.wunderground.com/radar/radblast.asp?zoommode=pan&prevzoom=zoom&num=6&frame=0&delay=15&scale=1.000&noclutter=0&ID=OKX&type=N0R&showstorms=0&lat=0&lon=0&label=you&map.x=400&map.y=240&scale=1.000¢erx=400¢ery=240&showlabels=1&rainsnow=0&lightning=0&lerror=20&num_stns_min=2&num_stns_max=9999&avg_off=9999&smooth=0
I understand virga, but even so 6 hours seems more likely.
You can clearly see the r/s line on that radar. Draw that line up to us in NE and all of eastern MA and coastal ME gets rain.
And if its already raining in coastal NJ, theres no way it snows here in eastern MA. I would love to jump on the “surprise” possibility with this storm, but even more, I hate getting my hopes up and then being dissappointed in the end
Re: Precip ahead of the storm and rain/snow line – has the coastal low/storm formed sufficiently to draw any inferences from any precipitation shield encroachig NYC associated with the land low and/or drawing any meaningful conclusions on an existing r/s line projecting linearly into New England overnight? This is way beyond my weather capacity, asking for thoughts, not challenging anyone’s post/opinion.
Just not necessarily so.
For one thing it is colder up here, not only at the surface,
but at mid-levels as well.
For another, the storm will track NE, not due North.
I’m not saying we don’t get rain, just that you can’t use
that logic.
Thx OS
Henry Margusity Fan Club
Odd Observation of the day. Mount Airy, NC wind gust to 57 mph followed by a change over to snow.
Look at the convection off the NC Coast.
GFS has that weekend storm ever so close, but i dont see that thing getting any closer than that. Running out of time for that to change
This storm is going to blow up on the coast!!
Look at this map and observe what is happening.
http://weather.unisys.com/satellite/sat_sfc_map.gif
Notice the HUGE sry slot. The energy is clearly transferring to the coast.
The primary is about to die off. And as someone above stated, look at the convection and all of the radar echos. This is going to become a monster.
Again, the latest water vapor loop:
http://weather.rap.ucar.edu/satellite/displaySat.php?region=BWI&itype=wv&size=small&endDate=20121226&endTime=-1&duration=12
Harvey tweeted this 5 minutes ago regarding R/S line tomorrow:
@HarveyWCVB: By Thu. A.M. commute, most of Boston area raining..rain/snow line should be roughly from Berkshires to MA/NH border
Yes, this would be consistent with this AM’s Model runs.
We’re still watching to see if anything changes.
If thermal profiles are already too warm, is it plausible for them to cool again once precip gets going? Some reports of mid to upper 30’s in the area already with winds now switching over to NNE after a period of northerly. Even if thing thing moves more south and east, if there is any easterly component to the winds at all, given the ocean temps, we will be rain very quickly and stay that way.
First of all, as long as mid-levels are cold enough, mid-upper 30s
does not preclude snow. And yes, if cold mid-levels and those surface temps,
the lower levels would cool down to 32 almost immediately.
NNE wind would be OK to keep snow. IF they go to NE, it gets questionable.
IF it goes ENE, we’re DONE.
Just my thoughts.
Cheers
Thanks for the insight OS. I want snow believe me, but i also dont want to be dissappointed. IF this thing ends up further S and E and colder, does that mean locations in northern NE and maine get less? It would make sense to me, further away from the heaviest precip, dry slotting? no?
Yes, that would be correct. If the models are correct,
we get rain, up North gets a dumping. If the system
moved farther South and East, then up North would get less and we could potentially end up with more snow.
We’re nowcasting. Just watching for changes from the
model predictions to see if we can salvage anything at all.
We’re pointing out anything we see that could possibly
indicate a change. NONE of it means that it will just yet.
Keep watching and hoping.
Wow. Great reading and terrific links and insights. Thank you all very much.
Noontime Temp @ Nantucket 40
11 am CST Temp @ Brownsville TX (southern tip of TX) 49
11 am CST Temp @ Galveston TX 43
11 am CST Temp @ Houston TX 40
11 am CST Temp @ Dallas TX 26
Colder air is coming!
Pressures dropping rapidly along the east coast. If I’m not mistaken, looks as if energy is being transferred to the coast prematurely. The parent low is dying. Accumulations should end up closer to the coast. Too early to say what I’m thinking but changes could be coming
This storm has snow inland rain for the coastal plain and coast, no matter how much we hope and pray for snow in the metro areas it’s not gonna happen with this event, I used to be like that but found out being disappointed afterwards was far more painful for me, possibilitys dont roll with me reality is the way to go but it is a weather blog so lets continue with every possibility to end up with rain,, anyways have a great day everyone,
I will say alot of wasted cold air is coming after the storm, maybe the ponds will start freezing with any luck
I was the same way, I would be disappointed when it did not snow. I do not believe there will be much snow from Worcester east.
Good for you Charlie. I really like how you man up and tell it like it is.
Alot of the models show alot of eastern and southeastern mass close to 50 degrees tommorrow
NEWW is calling for 3-6 in Boston before the change over
See NEWW is nutty but I like their attitudes up beat and positive even though there probably WAY OFF!
I’m with you TJ. I used to love Mark Rosenthal for this reason. He used to jack up the snowstorms and I loved his enthusiasm:)
I liked him to
Alisonarod,
Mark was great! He wasn’t the best meteorologist but always made storms bigger and better than they were and also would mention storms a couple days out that always made me get excited.
Honestly, I hope they’re wrong with higher amounts in Boston if it’s eventually going over to all rain. A real pain in the back to clear away water-logged snow
Very true but it would be fun to watch all the front end snow. I’m watching this energy on the coast being transferred. Will it happen fast enough? That’s the question. And then where does this energy go? It only takes a 75 mile shift to make a tremendous difference.
It is fun
Hi Charlie,
Its not so much that we are hoping and praying that it stays all snow I think everyone’s accepted the fact its going to rain here but I think we just want to watch how things evolve and see if the models are off. I’m not speaking for anyone else here but I think its interesting and fun to watch the models and know that they could be forecasting a storm that has a good amount of surprises to it. The models may say its going to hit 50s on the coast and its going to rain but maybe the storm will snow longer on the front end temps will only get to 40s on thursday and the storm will track further south. Who knows.. I like to see how things plan out. Don’t get disappointed go with the flow.
Nice way of putting it TJ:) I enjoy nowcasting
Well put, TJ! Just one of the many reasons I find weather to be so interesting
Well said, have a great day
Same to you Charlie
It sure looks like and feels like snow in Norwood.
It sure does here as well. It’s the bone chilling cold that precedes snow. And the crystal type haze is staring to form over the snow. What fun to have this to track after Christmas.
To:alisonarod,
You are officially in charge of moving the storm further S & E and I will work on temperature drops.
Sounds good to me Longshot. You can be Jackfrost. I already have something up my sleeve with the energy transfer that is occurring along the virginia coast line;)
I hope so..
Well can I play too. I would like to be Mother Nature. I have my all powerful snow socks remember.
you can play with us anytime:)
Awww. Thanks
I have a tough assignment!!
I wonder what OS is thinking now
I’m with you. Energy transfer to the coast was much faster than expected.
Also more East than originally forecast.
Not to mention that the wind in our area is holding from the North to NE pretty much.
Here is latest Blue Hill Obs:
Last Updated: Dec 26 2012, 12:54 pm EST
Wed, 26 Dec 2012 12:54:00 -0500
Temperature: 32.0 °F (0.0 °C)
Dewpoint: 23.0 °F (-5.0 °C)
Relative Humidity: 69 %
Wind: Northeast at 10.4 MPH (9 KT)
Boston:
Last Updated: Dec 26 2012, 12:54 pm EST
Wed, 26 Dec 2012 12:54:00 -0500
Weather: Overcast
Temperature: 35.0 °F (1.7 °C)
Dewpoint: 24.1 °F (-4.4 °C)
Relative Humidity: 64 %
Wind: Northeast at 10.4 MPH (9 KT)
Norwood:
Last Updated: Dec 26 2012, 12:53 pm EST
Wed, 26 Dec 2012 12:53:00 -0500
Weather: Overcast
Temperature: 35.0 °F (1.7 °C)
Dewpoint: 24.1 °F (-4.4 °C)
Relative Humidity: 64 %
Wind: Northeast at 5.8 MPH (5 KT)
Plymouth:
Last Updated: Dec 26 2012, 12:52 pm EST
Wed, 26 Dec 2012 12:52:00 -0500
Weather: Overcast
Temperature: 37.0 °F (2.8 °C)
Dewpoint: 26.1 °F (-3.3 °C)
Relative Humidity: 65 %
Wind: Northeast at 6.9 MPH (6 KT)
AND a very, very BAD sign, Worcester:
Last Updated: Dec 26 2012, 12:54 pm EST
Wed, 26 Dec 2012 12:54:00 -0500
Weather: Fair
Temperature: 30.0 °F (-1.1 °C)
Dewpoint: 19.0 °F (-7.2 °C)
Relative Humidity: 64 %
Wind: East at 10.4 MPH (9 KT)
Please note the EAST wind at the Worcester Airport, 1000 feet in altitude, suggesting that just above the surface, the winds are EAST. If there is a low
level Easterly Jet, we can forget about it.
http://geoea.org/2012/12/26/nowcasting1/
Nice. Thanks Coastal. pretty much confirms what Hadi had been saying all
along for this event.
Let’s see how it translates up here.
Well, the 12Z Euro is in. Still tracks this thing over the Cape with a couple inches
of front end in Boston then changeover to rain. Same with Canadian.
The UKMET keeps the snow around until about 7AM on Thursday.
Could be a Wild night, even with a changeover.
This storm is energized.
OH and while we are at it, this weekends storm looks to be a BIGGIE, although
12Z Euro has it grazing us with low qpfs with the big qpfs just off shore.
Wouldn’t take much to get that in here.
One thing i worry is if this current storm intensifies too much and is stronger than depicted on the models, hits the block over eastern canada and stalls out, that will force the weekend storm further OTS. But i agree, that storm really blows up and if we can get into its heavy precip, watch out. GFS ensemble mean gives eastern MA, Cape and Islands 2 to as much as 6″ with generous ratios
This is what I LOVE!!! Lets get some excitement around here and come on cold air hang tight… No icing though BAD!
In this radar animation, notice the mix change to snow over a good portion of
NJ and that line actually moves Southward.
http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?region=hfd&animate=true
At work here in Walpole, wind just shifted to ENE…
= , I mean .
Let’s hope that an Swan just flew by your wind vane!
That is BAD I mean BAD
LOL, i hope so too! might have been one of those canadian geese that graze here all year round
Major cities south of here; DC, Baltimore, Philly – very brief snow/mix then quickly to rain and will stay that way. One of the things we were nowcasting was watching what happened in those cities, if transfer of energy was to be further east those cities would have had more snow…
The energy was transferring as the storm approached those areas. Being that we are further north, it stays snow here much longer. It’s not only important when energy transfers. It’s where this new energy “tracks” that is vital. I don’t like how the 12z euro still tracks this over the cape. Not a good track for snow east of 495. That link sent by Coastal is very encouraging however.
Thanks alisonarod. I like your contribution to the blog
I wonder if the 12 EURO was initialized with the changes we are seeing in this system or if the initalization was done before things started getting interesting. That may explain very little change in its output from the last few runs
Cool little calculator i found to see the probabilties of snow given known surface temp and humidity (very basic but still cool) http://www.sciencebits.com/SnowProbCalc?calc=yes
We have a clear definition in the clouds here, as u look south u can see a clear definition in cloud structure
I think precip gets here sooner than forecasted and changes over to rain later than forecasted. That could tack on a couple of inches of unanticipated snows.
Totally agree. One Caveat. East Wind????
Call me wacked, but I see a lot of Eastward movement on this animated
Nexrad Radar loop. Need to keep watching this as it approaches our area:
http://www.wunderground.com/radar/radblast.asp?zoommode=pan&prevzoom=zoom&num=6&frame=0&delay=15&scale=1.000&noclutter=0&ID=BOX&type=N0R&showstorms=0&lat=0&lon=0&label=you&map.x=400&map.y=240&scale=1.000¢erx=400¢ery=240&showlabels=1&rainsnow=0&lightning=0&lerror=20&num_stns_min=2&num_stns_max=9999&avg_off=9999&smooth=0
That’s the precip shield. But it’s the direction that the center of circulation is going that is important.
At 2pm, eastern parts of NC, as well as Norfolk, VA are reporting SE or S winds, so that tells me that the new low is just west of those locations.
I think that matches up well with the 12z GFS and its 12 hr panel, which has the new low just north and west of Norfolk, VA. I would say the new low is forming in about the concensus spots the models have been projecting.
Don’t agree. Look at this map and the winds. I’d say it is centered
over very Eastern NC.
http://weather.unisys.com/satellite/sat_sfc_map.gif
Maybe so….but Norfolk has a SE wind and its 57F and Virginia Beach, VA likewise has a SE wind and its 56F.
Well that’s not good. Didn’t look that way on map????
Still watching and hoping.
This is going to be fun and watch evolve. Lets hope there are some good wintry surprises in store.
Latest Boston Obs. temp down a degree!
34.0 °F

Last Updated: Dec 26 2012, 1:54 pm EST
Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:54:00 -0500
Weather: Overcast
Temperature: 34.0 °F (1.1 °C)
Dewpoint: 24.1 °F (-4.4 °C)
Relative Humidity: 67 %
Wind: Northeast at 12.7 MPH (11 KT)
Wind Chill: 25 F (-4 C)
Visibility: 10.00 miles
MSL Pressure: 1023.8 mb
Altimeter: 30.24 in Hg
btw, that NE wind is at 030 Degrees!!!
AND GOOD NEWS:
Worcester. (I wonder IF the previous OBS was in error???)
Last Updated: Dec 26 2012, 1:54 pm EST
Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:54:00 -0500
Weather: Fair
Temperature: 30.0 °F (-1.1 °C)
Dewpoint: 19.0 °F (-7.2 °C)
Relative Humidity: 64 %
Wind: Northeast at 10.4 MPH (9 KT)
Wind Chill: 21 F (-6 C)
Visibility: 10.00 miles
MSL Pressure: 1022.8 mb
Altimeter: 30.16 in Hg
Hartford, CT 30F, wind at 010 Degrees.
Westerly, RI 36F, Wind at 060 Degrees.
Nantucket, MA, 39F, Wind at 060 Degrees.
Hmmm
Is this suggestive of a coastal front setting somewhere between Boston and South Shore????
Now with the energy transfer have to look which way the low pressure center tracks. Does it hug the coast or does it move a little further over the water. 25-50 miles in either direction will make a difference.
I think now it depends on the models accurately forecasting the strength and placement of the high pressure to the north. I think i read this high is stronger than depicted? Might make it harder for storm to move more northerly as the models have been showing.
Don’t know if this means anything up here but NYC now under a winter weather advisory for 1-3 inches of snow.
Was this storm forecasted to redevelop over NJ but is actually redeveloping around NC?
If NYC gets more snow than Boston I’m going to be a little aggrevated!
The orientation of the storm, the land, and the water says they probably will.
Your killing me Smalls…Killing me!!
Regarding a certain FB weather site mentioned above…
Confidence? Not really. More like arrogance. If you have any ounce of professionalism you don’t trash your fellow forecasters quite like that.
There is also a difference between forecasting what you want to happen and what decent meteorological analysis would indicate will happen.
I am a snow lover, but if I don’t see a big storm for my area in the cards I’m not going to try to make it happen by forecasting it.
That said, there are no changes to my forecast posted above.
Accumulations I expect now range from a slushy coating at Logan to a slushy inch immediate suburbs to 3-6 inches Merrimack Valley and 6-10 inches with locally heavier in higher elevations from north central MA into southwestern NH. Ski areas make out great.
Yeah NEWW is not professional but I think your going to be a little off TK. Will have to wait and see.
That site I put with Henry and a few other ones
Thanks tk
It is warm about 2,000 ft up, I don’t see this as good news
There’s a mild layer shooting right up to NYC, NYC will be rain with 2 hrs
Within
Mt. Washington is up @ 23 degrees but interestingly enough with very light winds out of the north.
Nicely said TK!
ahhh my spelling is terrible Aggravated
Don’t worry mine is the worst.
If you take them for entertainment value then they are great!
This place can be at times more of the Ben Stein of weather entertainment.
All I can hear is TK, Tom and Charlie…
Bueller, Buelle, Bueller……
Rain, Rain, Rain……..
Feels and looks like snow.
I tend to be a sleeper.
I won’t argue you on that point.
I don’t think anyone has posted the following link – if so, sorry.
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/eaus/flash-vis.html
Sometimes I can make a “gut decision” looking at this link, but this time the only feeling I get is that we are going to get something! In any case, there is a dry slot that is filling up – does that have anything to do with anything??
You beat me to it. I was just going to post a loop.
Btw, isn’t it cool the way this depicts the low stratus clouds
moving in from the NE off of the ocean as the higher level clouds
move in from the SW.
Don’t see this too often.
Yes, I noticed that. I didn’t realize that it was that uncommon. I like looking at the satellite loops – sometimes when they are without the infrared and colors I can get a better idea of what’s going on. That’s just my opinion.
Just got an email from a dxer friend of mine in central NJ (about 10 miles south of Neshanic Station) and he said it’s snowing heavily there right now with a temp right around 32.
http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?location=USCT0094&animate=true
Not much of a punch to the north with the r/s line.
There is movement of the R/S line Northward in NJ, but let’s
keep it there. lol
Looks like the Taunton Radar is blocking the snow from moving NE.
http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=BOX&product=NCR&overlay=11101111&loop=yes
Lots of Eastward movement there.
What’s up?
You’re looking at the highest level stuff, which is fanning more to the east in the upper winds, set up a bit like the outflow above a tropical, due to the strong parent low in the Ohio Valley.
Understood. So we’re seeing Eastward movement, but the whole package is moving northward. The end result is that
the changeover will move from Southeast to Northwest.
Many thanks
Our rain/snow line will be coming from the southeast.
Yes, that is clear, but we’re doing our best to keep it
more to the Southeast.
Where is it right now?
Snowing in NYC
By early this evening NYC should be in the rain.
Watch out for some gusty winds also with this storm system. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are some power outages across SNE.
Irene, Sandy and the Nor’easter has taken down the weak tree’s and limbs. I would be surprise if there were more than 50 power outages.
Just drove to wellesley and back and saw three fairly large groups of what appeared to be Canadian geese heading N/NE. Away from storm? An unusual direction for this time of year
Geese will fly any direction when they are in an organizing pattern. I see a lot of small flocks heading north and northeast over my area during this time of year. Once they are oriented they will turn southward.
Plus, geese arent that smaht
Very true. I’ve seen some very dumb geese around.
small several groups of 12 or more yesterday ….beautiful to watch
They sure are beautiful to watch.
I am not used to seeing them this late in year – esp three groups -but migration patten may be different
TK, any thoughts on the weekend storm? I know models have been pretty consistent keeping it offshore but man is it close. Looks like it will be a powerful storm. Time is running out for things to change.
I’m leaning OTS with a graze. Still have to watch it. Looks like the SE ridge tries to come back, flattens the flow up just enough to propel that system more to the east.
Euro dumps a pure arctic airmass into New England on New Years Day.
Thanks TK. Time to break out the true winter jacket i guess!
TK how will the wind be? Sister in law is going to try to fly in on Sunday from Atlanta. She postponed because of sandy
Doppler radar already picking up snow in westsouthwestern CT and SE MA which looks like it is turning to mix or ice in SE MA.
Looks like a wall of snow.
http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=BOX&product=N0R&overlay=11101111&loop=yes
You can see the northeastern edge of that fighting the dry air. The darker colors are where it’s reaching the ground and for us that represents our best shot of accumulation around Boston later this evening before it’s just too warm to sustain it.
Right. I think the problem we will be seeing here in eastern mass is that the snow will be falling at such a intense rate it will cause friction between the snow flakes, thus elevating the temp in lower atmosphere.
Stratus layer coming in from the due east. Step one in warming the boundary layer and air near the surface to prevent big snow anywhere near the coast in this one.
I don’t think anyone on the coast is wishing for big snow but more like a snow. Anything more than 3.5″
MADE MINOR CHANGES TO THE FORECAST PACKAGE TO ACCOUNT FOR CURRENT
TRENDS. LEANED MORE TOWARDS THE GFS AS THE NAM SEEMS TO INITIALIZEPOORLY.
WITH THE COLDER SOLUTION IN PLACE SNOW TOTALS HAVE INCREASED
SOMEWHAT AND LOOKING AT EXPANDING HEADLINES.
This is a question for TK or anyone who knows the answer. What do you use as a benchmark to determine wether or not a forecast “verifies.” With forecasts seem to change moment to moment almost ending up as “now casting” how does this work? Just curious. Thanks
This will vary from person to person. For me, I try to verify anything I can put solid #’s on, usually 48 hours or sooner from the event. If I hit a high temp 5 days in advance it really doesn’t do much to know how many times I do that. I’d rather be getting it more accurate when I can actually spell out details and be confident. When using forecasting games in colleges, verifications tend to go out only to about 3 days, though some schools play “extended forecast games”. I guess there really is no solid defined answer for this question.
TWC has the new low pressure centered on the SC/NC border. Is that right?
http://www.weather.com/maps/maptype/currentweatherusnational/uscurrentweather_large.html
Based on the SAT loop, no way.
Looks strange to me. Perhaps TK can comment.
There’s no doubt a trough in there but as for a defined closed-off low which would be a secondary with ZERO enhanced clouds over it? I think somebody skipped out on SAT&RAD class in college.
Of course its right. They have a tv station that is strictly for the weather. They are The Weather Channel.
LOL
No way it’s way inland nc Virginia
Pressure has fallen there this afternoon.
The pressure would be falling there anyway because of the strong parent low in the Ohio Valley moving east northeastward. You want to see a rapid pressure fall with a rise at stations just to the west of there (for a feature with an eastward component to its forward motion) to indicate a newly developing surface low.
You have a link to the sat loop?
Here is a link:
http://weather.rap.ucar.edu/satellite/displaySat.php?region=ALB&itype=wv&size=small&endDate=20121226&endTime=-1&duration=12
Don’t know IF this is the loop TK looked at or not, but it is one.
Slightly amusing that where they had their new storm centered the sky was partly sunny with a south southwest wind.
It has changed to rain and sleet in NYC
That didn’t take long. Not an especially good sign, is it???
Bueller….
There is plenty of movement of the R/S line on this radar loop and it clearly
depicts it moving SE to NW.
http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?location=USCT0094&animate=true
That precip gets Heavy in a hurry. How long does it stay snow is the big question. Sure didn’t stay snow for very long in NYC.
Unless something very weird happens, the forecast “looks” to verify.
Still expecting all snow here in Augusta per NWS. They threw out nam thank goodness bc it’s ugly.
They said 12 euro came in much colder for Maine keeping all Maine snow. Point click forecast has us at 2-4 tonight 8-12 tomorrow and 1-3 tomorrow night. Lets Hope Tom is not right with his 3.6 otherwise I going to come down there and you know what
LOL !!!
Some 4PM Obs:
T D Wind
Worcester: 29 14 060
Boston: 35 26 060
Blue Hill: 33 24 070
N. Smithfield RI 34 25 070
Nantucket 38 30 070
Hartford 31 17 360
Block IS 39 28 080
Lawrence 33 24 030
Now the winds are getting in line. Sure does NOT look like the snow will last
too long in the coastal regions. Although I’m somewhat surprised that Logan
is holding in at 35F with the wind at 060 degrees which is exactly at ENE.
I would have expected the temp to be at least 40F. With intense snow coming down,
it shouldn’t go up much. So it looks like it will still be the mid-level warming that
will force the changeover?
We’ll see how it plays out.
Doubt you are going to right Tom here in Maine
I am guessing some places come in close two feet.
I doubt I’m going to be right either.
But, I’ve been mild version all along, so can’t change now.
It’s officially raining in NYC 34 deg
4PM obs from NYC:
REGIONAL WEATHER ROUNDUP
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY
400 PM EST WED DEC 26 2012
NOTE: “FAIR” INDICATES FEW OR NO CLOUDS BELOW 12,000 FEET WITH NO
SIGNIFICANT WEATHER AND/OR OBSTRUCTIONS TO VISIBILITY.
NYZ071-072-176-178-NJZ106-104-262200-
NEW YORK CITY METRO AREA
CITY SKY/WX TMP DP RH WIND PRES REMARKS
CENTRAL PARK SNOW 32 31 96 E22G35 29.99F VSB 1/2 WCI 19
LAGUARDIA APRT LGT SNOW 34 31 88 NE31G38 29.98F FOG WCI 20
KENNEDY INTL SLEET 36 32 85 NE22G29 29.97F WCI 25
NEWARK/LIBERTY LGTSLEET 33 32 96 NE18G28 29.96F VSB 1/2 WCI 22
TETERBORO SLEET 32 30 93 NE15G22 29.96F VSB 1/2 WCI 22
WHITE PLAINS LGT SNOW 30 26 85 NE14G23 30.01F VSB 1 WCI 19
If your a snow lover this is just aggravating, I don’t think the i95 corridor Gets more than a strong coating and it falls overnight so when we wake up its gone
Remember that anticipation is half the joy so if you are a snow lover it’s only half disappointing
Westborough, where I live, is now forecasted to get 6-8 instead of 4-6 and we’ve been upgraded from a WWA to a WSW.
Oh wow. Ill have to Check framingham. I was thinking not much problem for my husband to get to work in the morning. But he is heading east so that’s good
Updated snow accumulation map from Taunton:
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/box/StormTotalSnow/index.php
IMO, way overdone. If someone ends up with 14-18″ of snow in northern Worcester Co, I would be astonished.
I agree with this map
It’s got a big none right on my area,,, next!!
14-18″ in Worcester County…really?
1-2 inches per hr for 10-15hrs in those areas yes
No way it maintains that rate for that long. I’m not convinced it stays all snow there either. Maybe a foot in northern portions of the county at best.
I have no doubts seeing the inland dewpoints, that when the precip starts, it’s going to be heavy snow for a few hrs and its going to look like a blizzard. Quick 1-2 inches around 495, 2-3 around Worcester, but then………
Look at DC and Philly, 39F and 37F respectively. Watch those 2 obs the next few hrs, think they’ll get into the low40s. Getting that idea of relative north even NW of the low track, I’d expect Worcester by sunrise will be 36F with rain and the rain/snow line will have retreated halfway between Manchester and Concord, NH. Further east, Portland, ME around sunrise will be 34F or 35F with rain after a few inches of snow.
Aright, at my I laws
Will check in later tonight. Enjoy the now casting !!
Todd on BZ has rain my mid day all the way to Worcester. Very little accumulation out to 495.
Someone has to be correct. lol
Check out this radar loop, specifically down around NYC.
Looks like the R/S line moved South!
Forgot loop again!
http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?location=USCT0094&animate=true
Take a look at SPC mesocale discussion talking about 2-3 inch per he snowfall in SNE.
ECMWF/GGEM/GFS all take the weekend storm outside the 40/70 benchmark. Updated Taunton discussion calling for up to 2″ of snow accumulation south of the Pike Sat night based on current model QPF forecasts.
UGH!
I’ll be ripped if we dont get anything from that one either. I’m really counting on that storm to deliver southern and eastern portions its first real snowfall of the season. 12Z EURO and GFS ensembles showed up to 4″ on the Cape. Want to see what the models do once the energy from that system arrive on the west coast.
Dry slot is going to temper our totals here in CNY. I think we’ll get a quick hard hitting 8-10″ between now and 2AM and then get cut off with spotty lighter snows through tomorrow and a few additional inches. Snow has just started.
NWS Albany now calling for up to 20″ in the southern Adirondacks and Green mountains of VT.
Hadi, you are going to get crushed. I’m now thinking closer to 18″ for your area with the colder solution and higher snow ratios. Lots of QPF and no changeover!!
NYC keeps flipping back and forth snow to rain back to snow now mixing
i do not understand the winter storm warning for my area. im in a winter storm warning but the highest amount of snow that i see is 3 inches being possible.
They are not helping their cause by extending that thing to the southeast.
The dry slot is also going to be a player earlier than many expect.
Looks like inside and along rt. 128 down to rt. 24 south and east will be the r/s line as precip breaks out.
Mark getting ready for it!!! No changeover and tons of QPF and high ratios. I am banking on about 15-20. We shall see.
Can already see that dry slot
BZ’s #’s look good for eastern MA but i think they are a bit high for worcester. I cant believe im saying this, but i think Ch 7 #’s are spot on. We shall see!
Saw they (BZ) have 6-12″ for Worcester. 12+” for Monadnock area.
Starting to snow here in Quincy!!
Coastal low taking over down in Virginia.
Rain Snow line just north of NYC right now.
Well that was good… Now over to light rain.
Super crazy day today. Can someone please get me up to date on two things. How many inches for Boston before the rain, and than down on the south shore same thing.
One word John RAIN!!
Not Boston right. 1_3 tonight before the rain. Where in Quincy do you live. My dad lives at the falls. Still raining in Quincy. Boston is getting snow right. I’m gathering my things now. Thanks.
West Quincy near Braintree
Boston probably gets a quick burst and then to rain. I don’t think you will have to worry about being called in. Less than an 1inch. Trust me I wish it was alot more.
Most of the weather stations around here are reporting ENE winds occasionally out of the North.
Very light snow now. Expect that wall to come in about an hour or so.
NEWW continues to say plowable for Boston. Not bashing, just not agreeing. The western side of the city may see a burst heavy enough to cover the ground and require some treatment for a short while, but later tonight it’s just too warm and wet and it’s all gone.
TK I think it must have been slippery last night or we treat roads in this area in an abundance of caution. There was tons of sand in Sudbury and framingham roads were literally white from salt. Not sure why they needed so much but there should be enough left over for tonight
If i could vote sand out I would,
So tk you dont think anything will stick in Boston say by the ongwood medical area, or maybe some.
It’s raining
Light snow and all surfaces have a dusting in framingham.
I don’t think Boston itself or Logan will get much if any, in my humble opinion would be a waste of time, I really think this is going to be very disappointing for boston, good luck
It has begun to lightly snow here
where do you live Charlie?
Wrentham but I’m in north attleboro alot also
There actually a little sleet and rain mixing in, it’s definatly a very wet snow
Here in Easton too Charlie. The snow never ever had a chance
Ace you mean now right. I believe a band is coming in with snow is that correct.
Yea its very light snizzle. I have a feeling when the heavy stuff comes in soon the intensity of the precip will cause it to fall as snow for a short time, then over to rain for the duration.
Must be a line in there somewhere north to south. Not at all wet here. And has been snowing at least 45 minutes. Probably more since all surfaces had a dusting when my grandson made the announcement about 45 minutes ago. A junior met in training
some light snow falling here in billerica temperatue is right around 32 degrees. also from salem mass to plymouth ocean effect snow and rain showers are currently west to the 495 belt . this is probably what many across the are inside of 495 is seeing currently. the main precipitation is still about an hour away
should have said half hour to 1 hour it should change to all rain inside of 495 by 3 am and all of eastern mass and areas south of the pike by day break.
Thanks Matt I don’t think of us getting ocean effect snow. Very cool. Will explain that to my grandson.
Right on top of it Matt, good job.
18Z GFS ensemble mean closer on the weekend storm. Start of a trend?
http://raleighwx.americanwx.com/models/gfsensemble/18zgfsensemble850mbTSLPUS084.gif
It’s the 18z:(
I know i know. I just need something to look forward to.
Heres the 12Z GFS 24hr precip
http://raleighwx.americanwx.com/models/gfsensemble/12zgfsensemblep24096.gif
Most of what is reaching the ground in Boston proper is ocean-effect. You can see the tiny cellular echoes moving west northwestward off the ocean. This motion is also indicative of ocean warming coming in sooner at the shore. The wind just off the ground is not northeast.
Snizzle just starting to mix in on occasion. Was just outside enjoying the smell of winter
SNIZZLE!!!
That’s one we don’t hear too often anymore…
It appears temps up here will be just fine for all snow. No change to my thoughts here, hint hint Tom
It’s raining here in north attleboro, it’s wet on the roads, going back to wrentham
It’s down pouring
Most of us will see rain outa this no question
Charlie come on up to Maine
Interesting, as the heavy precip moves in, the r/s line is collapsing.
Evapo cooling??
Possibly. Radar says snow, but my front steps say pouring rain.
Where are you Ace?
Easton. The r/s line is fluctuating from east to west right over me.
Its like watching a heavyweight battle, throwing punches, back and forth.
We had light snow for 30 or 40 minutes in Sherborn, now we have nothing. I think the ocean effect was Act I, the snow wall will be Act II and the wind/rain will be the 3rd and final act. Perhaps we get some backside flurries for an encore.
Back in wrentham snowing moderately with rain mixing in time to time, very wet
More wet here now eliminating much of the snow dusting. Temp up to 33.5 from 31.2. And wind from calm to a few mph with a gust to 12 and direction is all over the compass.
We had a moderation in temperatures here too, the white coat turned wet.
Sounds same as here captain.
Logan Airport wind east 23 gust to 30, temp 38. That is not what you want to see if you want snow anywhere near the coast with this storm track.
So maybe no accumulation in Boston. If not we have the weekend storm.
I think the bulk of the weekend event is going to be OTS.
Again can Boston see anything tonight.
The weekend sees snow.
It’s raining here again, I think that’s pretty much sums up this storm, never got accumulation, lookout that line is moving north and west from here
This was not a good track for areas at or near the coast. A track like this brings in milder air from off the ocean. The interior areas of SNE could get a nice snowfall before the change to rain.
Do you think Boston could see some snow jj that sticks. What’s your thinking on the weekend snow.
Darn ocean
boston reporting gusts out of the east now at 30. never a chance with that.
that blob down near foxboro is pretty impressive.
I guess I can only hope that the weekend storm comes a little closer to give us south shore folks a little snow. Winds seem to be picking up here in Plymouth and it was a chilly rain when I ran out to the store about an hour ago.
Sue, I think areas that got the least snow out of this one, or no snow, will get the most from the weekend storm. Right now it doesnt look like a lot, but maybe a couple inches. Keeping my fingers crossed
Track for the weekend storm looks to take it just outside of the benchmark. If could trend back towards the west
a little bit things could get very interesting around here this weekend.
Fingers and toes are crossed at this point!!
Rain area looks to becoming onshore at the coasts of CT, RI, and MA. The storm to me is behaving itself so far.
Steadier drizzle now. Wind fairly consistent at 2-5 mph out of NNE.
where are you Vicki…Framingham?
Yes. North framingham. Tucked between wayland and Sudbury.
ok, that’s what I thought – temps really pushed inland far and fast.
Temp up,another degree to 34.5
That coastal front I think is just to your west. Westborough is 30 and reporting light snow at the moment.
23 degrees here in Maine waiting the snow. Saw radar in Boston that sucks.
anyone in here near Brockton? If so, how hard is it raining? Any thunder?
Im about 10 min away in Easton. Moderate rain, snow mixing in, no thunder.
the heavy precip. is trying to beat back that marine air with that snow mixing in. Too bad the ocean is so warm.
Wow I see that area around Brockton. Interesting.
Wow 00z NAM QPF is high!!!
Shave a few inches of the NAM and then that will be the total.
Watching TWC and I see up in Maine where you are Hadi they have at action level on their threat level index
37F departing Boston on car truck, dropped to 35F when we hit the heavy precip going south on Rte. 3. Moderate rain mixed with some wet snow flakes. Wind very strong in Marshfield.
I am guessing if NAM QPF even is somewhat close to occurring we are in for it here.
Rain and lots of it temp up to 35
Charlie, was just gonna ask u what it was doing by u. Radar shows all snow west of me into the attleboros and north through plainville and wrentham. Was curious if it was actually snowing there.
Snowing here in North Attleboro Ace. 33.2 with a dew point of 29. Ground is covered.
Liking my chances of 12+
tell me to zip if no one cares!!!
http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/wwd/day1_psnow_gt_12.gif
Jealousy Hadi
Not much too add to TK’s excellent forecast and analysis. His quicker onset of dry slot issues was an awesome pick up!
Strong easterly low level flow and its associated downsloping is going to conspire to create a shadowing effect which will dial back the intensity and subsequent accumulations in valley locations such as the Merrimack valley and Connecticut river valley.
In general until you get north and west of RT 2, accumulations will not start to come close to NWS forecasted amounts. In those areas 8 plus inches is possible. Otherwise much lighter amounts. Nothing in the immediate Boston area and nearby coastal locations. Less than 2″ 128-495. 2-3″ 128-495 metro west area that is north of the MA Pike. No accumulation south and east of the I-95 /495 interchange. 3-5″ I-495 west & Merrimack Valley. Locally higher amounts in favored high grounds.
A little clarity to the above the the last line should be 3-5″ I 495 North and west of the Merrimack Valley.
It has been raining here in Dorchester since the beginning…nothing frozen has fallen. Wind is howling…CURSE YOU EAST WIND!!!
TK, will Boston see ANY significant snow between now and March? Yes, I am already starting to wonder especially with the OTS scenario for this weekend becoming commonplace around here for the rest of the winter.
Hang in there Philip ! Dont get discouraged based off of this event. It never had a chance in the Boston area.
Yes they will. Long, long way to go in winter.
Ace I will post pics on FB. Send me a request Hadi Kasrawi
Thanks Hadi
Wind picked up with a gust to 20. Temp dropped back a degree with more snow than rain
a mix of snow,sleet and rain here in my area of town while the other side of town including the center has coatings to one inch of snow. usually its the other way around with my side getting mroe wintry precipitation as we are shielded from an east wind. by billerica being a hill. Billerica is a perfect example how a few miles can change what precipitation you have and how a few feet can change what you get.
Atop the hill here in Woburn we are mostly rain, mixed with wet snow at times. No accumulation, ground wet. Temp 37, wind east 10-15 MPH.
CB right Ace?
Yes sir
Based on the latest radar, it is all rain inside 495 and yet the entire state of RI is blanketed with snow. Framingham rain and Providence snow?…never seen anything like it that I can recall.
Its so odd. Cold air daming…over RI?
Intensity. Evaporational cooling.
Peaking at the 10 pm obs ……
Even Worcester, which by obs and looking at a webcam is getting a good shot of snow, is up to 31F. Hartford, CT is up to 34F and while the echos look good on radar, its visibility has jumped to 2.5 miles, which makes me think a change to rain is in progress.
Looking to see Atlantic City’s ob at 10 pm, as it was in the low to mid 50s last hour. NYC was nearing 40F. I think some southern New England inland residents are going to be surprised by the mild temps and how the snow disappeared overnight when they wake up in the morning.
Is the cold air winning?
Snowing ere on North Attleboro Ace at 33.2. Crazy that Charlie as rain not far from here.
Nice! Temp looks like it came down some? If Charlie is in Wrentham, which if im not mistaken, is usually a bit colder than NA in these storms. Nothing normal about storms lately though so nothing would surprise me.
Had been snow from the start here. Just took the dog out and was snowing pretty good,
Any measurable accumulation yet?
I would say around 1.5.
Daughter in Uxbridge says heavy to mod snow there
Ive just gone over to heavy snow
Like the radar off of the Jersey Coast right now. Splotchy look to the radar, looks very convective.
Snowing at the rate of 2 inches per hour in central ny. We have 4 inches so far but a narrow north/south oriented dry slot is heading due north right at us and is going to really kill any big snow totals here I’m afraid. Areas just to our east and west should see a foot plus.
Just heard from friends back in northern CT. We got a quick 3-4″ in Coventry but have now gone over to heavy rain.
Saw that dry slot onnradar. Enjoy the snow for us!
Dallas 27F and Atlanta 35F. Crazy that it is warmer at Logan.
UGH, 00Z GFS, weekend storm still offshore. For once the models are consistent on something…why now?? One that note, those who have snow, enjoy! Who knows, maybe we’ll wake up to a surprise
Harvey just said some signs of frigid air Tues and Wed next week. He had a high of 19 on Tuesday and 24 on Wednesday.
Reliable Euro model dumps Arctic air right into New England on January 1.
Well, the dog walk was pretty if you like mush, gush and slush. About an inch of wet cement out there, rain would be better for the limbs at this point. Nice to walk around without a flashlight, the snow reflects light very well.
Gotta love those last of the night dog walks. Hoping mine waits until the heavy rain is gone tomorrow morning for her first walk of the am!
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