Two Timer

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5:53PM

Here comes the next winter storm, and this one will have a one-two punch with it for much of the area, though some areas south of Boston may not see much from the second punch. This will take place as low pressure west of New England redevelops over New Jersey, moves northeastward, then intensifies rather rapidly just as it passes Cape Cod and moves into the waters just east of southern New England through Tuesday evening. The solution I am going with is slightly colder than what I had on the last update, which will be reflected by less mix/change in areas north of the Mass Pike, where cold air is entrenched at all levels and will be made even a bit colder due to precipitation falling into dry air and resulting in evaporational cooling. Precipitation starts as snow everywhere late this evening, at least by or shortly after midnight it should be snowing in all locations and snowing moderately to occasionally heavy during the overnight hours into the morning commute. Toward the end of this first burst of heavier precipitation a mix/change line to sleet/freezing rain/rain will appear on the South Coast and progress northward toward the Mass Pike where it should come to a halt. As the first area of heavier precipitation departs during the morning, some mixing may occur further north. As a second area of moderate to possibly heavy precipitation moves in later in the day into the evening, it will fall as snow in areas north of the Mass Pike and rain to mix to snow elsewhere as the changeover line goes back to the southeast. This will result in some additional accumulation of snow.

Snow will accumulate most rapidly in all areas during the early morning hours of Tuesday, more slowly to not at all during the late morning to mid afternoon of Tuesday because of lighter precip, mix, or rain in some areas (south). Another period of accumulating snow late Tuesday afternoon into Tuesday night will be most likely along and north of the Mass Pike to start then include most other areas again for a while later (although it may be heaviest to the north so impact may be less to the south).

Unfortunately, the 2 heaviest periods of snow may be occurring during both commutes. But better news: no significant coastal flooding as winds will not be as strong as recent storms, nor are astronomical tides very high. There may be some minor splashover and beach erosion on east-facing shores at high tide times just before dawn and in the early evening on Tuesday.

Snow accumulations for the entire event: 1-3 inches Cape Cod, Islands, South Coast. 3-5 inches southeastern MA to central RI, 5-10 inches northern RI through the remainder of eastern MA out to about I-495 and up to the NH Sea Coast. 10+ inches north of I-495 including the remainder of southern NH.

Beyond this event, the cold and somewhat unsettled pattern continues. We’ll watch for an ocean storm that may graze the region Thursday night but it has to be watched in case it develops a little closer than currently expected. Another storm later in the weekend is expected to stay JUST far enough south not to have any significant impact but should also be watched should it end up a little closer.

Forecast for southeastern New England…

TONIGHT: Overcast. Snow develops southwest to northeast between 9PM and 1AM, becoming moderate to heavy at times overnight, mixing with sleet/ice/rain South Coast after 4AM. Lows middle 20s to lower 30s north to south. Wind E 5-15 MPH.

TUESDAY: Overcast. Snow except mix to rain line moving northward toward the Mass Pike morning-midday, then all precipitation getting lighter for a while into the afternoon before picking up again later in the day as snow north and mix changing to snow further south. Highs upper 20s southern NH to middle 30s South Coast of MA/RI. Wind E 10-20 MPH with gusts around 30 MPH inland and 15-30 MPH with gusts 40-45 MPH at times coast, shifting more to the NE with time.

TUESDAY NIGHT: Cloudy through midnight with snow except mix to snow southern areas, tapering off late, followed by breaking clouds. Lows in the 20s. Wind NE to N 10-25 MPH with higher gusts.

WEDNESDAY: Variably cloudy. Slight chance of light snow showers. Highs in the 30s. Wind NW 15-25 MPH and gusty.

THURSDAY: Mostly cloudy. Period of snow possible at night especially eastern areas. Low 28. High 38.

FRIDAY: Mostly cloudy. Low 27. High 39.

SATURDAY: Partly sunny. Low 24. High 40.

SUNDAY: Mostly cloudy. Watching storm to the south. Low 24. High 40.

MONDAY: Partly sunny. Low 22. High 38.

691 thoughts on “Two Timer”

  4. TK, many, many thanks.
    Thanks for giving it to us straight with no BS.

    Should be an interesting night. Current radar and simulated composite from the
    21Z RAP, indicate a rapid onset to the snow.

    RAP is indicating strong echos throughout the night with 850mb temps well
    below freezing. 😀

    1. give it some time and it will start to. its gonna take a bit for it to over take the dry air

  9. For the first time in 35 years framingham has a delay. 2 hours. They have been firm that they will never have a delay. I guess its either that or April vaca

    1. Thats what happened in Marshfield last storm, they went with a 2 hr delay the night before and then by 7:30 to 8am, they had to go with a full cancellation, as it was clear it was snowing too much and too hard.

        1. Your welcome. I’ve been reading the thread on the TK’s previous blog. Please stay !

          My own personal thought on Pete is that he does really well and he’ll end up being on the Boston market a long, long time and that will say he is well thought of by the public, because in addition to ratings, I’d think TV management surveys their viewing audience as far as likability of their on air personalities. And thats the thing about Pete, in addition to being a good meteorologist, to me, he connects well with people, talks to them more on their level while explaining our crazy New England weather.

          1. Tom thank you. You may remember from way back that I’ve always been bothered by criticism of any TV met. There is a lot more that goes on behind the scenes that most don’t know but here we do. It could be Pete or Harvey or Barry or Todd – its all the same.

            You gave me a huge smile Tom and I can’t thank you enough.

          2. I actually like Pete’s personality. He is very enthusiastic about the weather which is great. It’s nothing personal and it’s a shame that some find criticism of Pete (or other METS) to be a personal matter. Complete non-sense as we are all entitled to our own opinions. No one has to agree with me and it would never offend me. That’s what makes this blog so great. We can have adult debates and disagreements about the weather and how one forecasts weather. But when it’s interpreted on a personal level, that’s pure non-sense. If I thought I was making inappropriate and egregious statements, believe me, I’d keep them to myself. However, I don’t believe that to be the case and I won’t stop citing my opinions whether they be good or bad. Not everyone is going to take kindly to one another. That’s okay as long as it’s done in an appropriate manner. Don’t worry Vicki. Once spring sets in (whenever that may be), you won’t have to worry about reading my posts until next Winter. Such a shame how things can be interpreted.

            1. Arod i think two can misinterpret. And I believe I’ve been rather vocal about wishing you’d stay through summer

              1. I love Harvey too. BB and Harvey are my favorite. I do enjoy Pete’s quick witt and personality the best, however. I just find BB’s and Harvey’s forecasting more accurate if I may say so 😀

  10. Personally I think downtown early tommorrow morning could be a problem with an hr or 2 of moderate sleet

              1. I figured that. I’ll be called in as soon as that first flake hits so 4or 8 will still be there. It would be nice to have an easy one after that last storm.

    2. I got 3-4 inches Boston, Providence 2-3 inches, Worcester 8-10 inches, Hartford 5-7 inches, Hingham to Providence south and east most of the snow will be washed away with about a quarter to half inch of rain

  12. Thanks TK as always! 🙂

    Also just a suggestion, I would appreciate it if you would include “the city of Boston” wording more often in your discussions. I assume the 5-10″ includes Boston/Logan?

    Thanks again in advance!

    1. john, ive been meaning to ask u for a while but i always forget. On my drive home from work from Walpole to Easton, i noticed these weird white streaks on the road. Probably about 6″ apart. Its only right before a snowstorm as i have observed all winter. Im assuming it is some sort of pre-treatment? This is the first year ive noticed it. What is it exactly? It is some sort of liquid salt mixture?

      1. it might be a way to mark the sides of the street. billerica is using this blue stuff on the sides of the road to show the edge of the roads.

        1. Possibly. Its thin white streaks along the entire length of the road going parallel to the road.

      2. If its right before a storm could be liquid calcium. I’m not familiar with that. At the hospital we use a green salt that comes in 50 pound bags. We manually put it down using spreaders. We have a contractor put salt down in the main circle. I could look into it for you. Pre treatment is effective.

        1. As a plow guy too itbCould be calcium (most state roads apply it with tank trucks), but when the nozzles get bound up it kinda gets jellyish and can leave those white streaks. Normally in the “area where tire travel is” .

  14. dewpoint at ORH is 1 right now.

    When this saturates it’ll probably be snowing out here at sub 20f. I’ll probably have 6″ or more on my hands when I get up at 6am.

  16. wbz and channel 7 saying the same thing basically. just that wbz has the 8+ dip down to worcester basically the same freakin map so quit your drama see no reason to bash any tv met. all are good. number one forcaster is TK in my books.

      1. I thought even under the best of wx conditions the duck boats don’t begin until mid-April at the earliest. Seems very early to me. It is just barely after mid-March now.

        1. It’s weird Philip but they r starting them next week bc they have a ton of askings, I remember when they wouldn’t bring them back until mid April

  18. Vicki…I hope you weren’t serious about leaving this blog? 😯

    This place would not be the same without you. 🙂

    1. :D. Thank you. That was a stupid thing to say. I like everyone here too much. It’s been one of those up and down days personally and I overreacted saying that

        1. I don’t think you did. People have a right not to like certain tv mets. I’m not a fan of Barry or Pete. That’s not saying I don’t like them, just don’t like there style. I’m a channel 5 guy because I grew up watching that. In the winter I nerd a met that tells it like it is, a straight shooter and acuret. I find that with Harvey and his entire team.

  19. You guys are wasting your time watching TV weather anyway IMHO. All the info you need is right here.

    1. Because I disagree with how PB informs the public regarding some of these winter storms. It’s insulting to her for some reason. That is the reason. She thinks that’s comparable to how people on the BZ blog act.

  24. Hi Charlie… I am in Watertown which is north of Waterbury. I am about a half hour away from the CT NY Border.

  25. I’m gonna say what hadi would say lets report with no exaggeration the next 24hrs like most do 🙂

  26. I think and I sincerely Hope that Vicki simply meant that she was walking away
    from the particular discussion and not the Bog. It certainly would not be the same
    without her.

      1. Awwwww. Mac says thanks for making me smile. Me too. I’m sorry. I feel really badly. I’m now negotiating an extra big storm with mom nature without coastal damage of course.

  28. Interesting stuff continues with the negative NAO …..

    When around midnight, its 29F or 30F at Logan and probably snowing fairly steadily, northward……far northward, on the western shores of Greenland, it will be in the 40s. This warm air is making its way westward, onto Baffin Island, where at Kimmirut, itis up to 31F, as mild as I’ve seen that spot in months……

    Also, nasty squall line moving through the southeast.

      1. Yes, Indeed. But the front end is attempting to overcome very very dry air and it will still take some time. 😀

    2. 15Z SREF 3 hours snow totals:
      06Z Tuesday:
      http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/sref/gifs/2013031815/SREF_SNOWFALL_PMMEAN_f015.gif
      9Z Tuesday:
      http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/sref/gifs/2013031815/SREF_SNOWFALL_PMMEAN_f018.gif
      12Z Tuesday:
      http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/sref/gifs/2013031815/SREF_SNOWFALL_PMMEAN_f021.gif

      And then that’s all she wrote. So it looks like SREF is indicating a changeover
      with no back end snows. I think it is wrong. It is 15Z so it’s getting OLD.

      Even so, the above adds up to “about” 7 inches for the City with a VERY
      sharp drop off to the South and I mean very sharp.

  30. Good evening everyone. Again, I just want to let you all know how much I enjoy reading this blog and all the feedback as you all discuss weather. I always watch the TV people and compare but I do want you to know that I rely on this blog more than the TV people. I enjoyed reading your posts in the past on the BZ blog and I’m happy that you’ve found a space to continue without those really creepy people on there just to be jerks. I refer to you as “my weather people.” So at work, if someone wants to know what is going on with the weather in the future, I say, well, my weather people are talking about a possible storm, yada, yada, yada. 🙂

    3. Hahaha. I refer to everyone as my weather friends. I like weather people Nice to see you post. Come back and chat more. 😀

      1. Well, I will likely just lurk. I am interested in weather and get the general “gist” of systems – but I that’s about as far as it goes. I do learn a lot by following the blog. I’m in Shrewsbury so I’ll give you a nowcast tomorrow. 🙂

        1. You and I are one in the same and you’ll notice it doesn’t keep me from posting :). Daughter used to ride hunt paces in shrewsbury. Beautiful area

      1. 7Pm OBS from ISLIP, NY:

        Islip, Long Island Mac Arthur Airport, NY
        (KISP) 40.8N 73.1W

        Light Snow
        36.0 °F
        Last Updated: Mar 18 2013, 6:56 pm EDT
        Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:56:00 -0400
        Weather: Light Snow
        Temperature: 36.0 °F (2.2 °C)
        Dewpoint: 21.0 °F (-6.1 °C)
        Relative Humidity: 55 %
        Wind: from the East at 18.4 gusting to 28.8 MPH (16 gusting to 25 KT)
        Wind Chill: 26 F (-3 C)
        Visibility: 9.00 miles
        MSL Pressure: 1023.3 mb
        Altimeter: 30.22 in Hg

        Note: Dew Point 21

  32. Commenting from the Fort. For what it’s worth I believe Pete B is probably a good forecaster. My only problem with Pete is that he can get out on a limb unnecessarily and sometimes he does not have the best presentation skills. Neither of these makes him a bad forecaster — just makes him seem a little silly at times.

    3. He does go out on the limb at times but he’s been right many times going out on the limb and be right 🙂

    4. We agree. He is silly. It’s part of his personality/style. I agree but I also like it. I think a lot do. What I do not seem to be able to make clear is that I’d react the same if it were any met. Pete just gets the most on this blog. Someone commented on Todd g earlier and I said something then too Truth be known if anyone commented about anyone here I’d do the same. It’s just who I am. I’m far too old to change now and loyalty and openness has always been important to me

      I apologize for distracting from the storm. I for one am looking forward to this one since the coast will not take a beating 🙂

  33. Hi all!

    * It’s easy to misinterpret things that are typed. I’ve been through that. But I think all is well here. Vicki, you’re not only one of my favorite bloggers, but I also consider you a friend. Love having you here. I hope whatever bothered you today is ok now and that you are feeling better. 🙂

    * Some kind things said above about me. Thank you!! I may not reply to every comment that contains such things but believe me I see them all and appreciate them. 🙂

    * Not only do I have to monitor this storm, but tonight I need to sit down and figure out my picks for the NCAA Basketball pool that my brother is running. Hmmmm. I wanna win this thing!

    1. Ok my husband said I have to stop crying. And he only got home at 5:30 🙂 🙂 TK all is fine. Thank you.

  36. On school districts …. If these amounts were forecast in January and school districts had only lost a day or two so far, then I’d think a lot of towns/cities N and W of Boston would already have cancelled.

    However, many if not all school systems are probably out to June 25th or beyond as their last day and are waiting and hoping that somehow, someway, they can get tomorrow in. Tomorrow, during the 5am hour, it should be interesting to see the choice of 2hr delay vs cancellation and then, what might happen at 8am for those 2 hr delays, if its still snowing very heavily.

    1. I’m still in absolute shock that framingham delayed. It said it never would. Shows how hard they are trying to keep April vacation intact

      2. Wonder if Framingham’s delay will turn into a cancellation, as a few towns did during the last storm when they realized how intense the storm was really going to be, that is except for Boston!

  37. OS, still not snowing yet in Coventry, CT despite the radar. Taking a while to moisten the air. Temp down to 29.

  38. 8PM ISLIP, LI BY report:
    Islip, Long Island Mac Arthur Airport, NY
    (KISP) 40.8N 73.1W

    Light Snow
    36.0 °F
    Last Updated: Mar 18 2013, 7:56 pm EDT
    Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:56:00 -0400
    Weather: Light Snow
    Temperature: 36.0 °F (2.2 °C)
    Dewpoint: 24.1 °F (-4.4 °C)
    Relative Humidity: 62 %
    Wind: from the East at 18.4 gusting to 23.0 MPH (16 gusting to 20 KT)
    Wind Chill: 26 F (-3 C)
    Visibility: 6.00 miles
    MSL Pressure: 1021.2 mb
    Altimeter: 30.16 in Hg

    1. NYC, Central Park 8PM OBS:

      New York City, Central Park, NY
      (KNYC) 40.783N 73.967W

      Last Updated: Mar 18 2013, 7:51 pm EDT
      Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:51:00 -0400
      Weather: Heavy Snow Freezing Fog
      Temperature: 31.0 °F (-0.6 °C)
      Dewpoint: 30.0 °F (-1.1 °C)
      Relative Humidity: 96 %
      Wind: East at 8.1 MPH (7 KT)
      Wind Chill: 24 F (-4 C)
      Visibility: 0.25 miles
      MSL Pressure: 1020.5 mb
      Altimeter: 30.16 in Hg

  39. I love Pete’s style. I just think he says things and then regrets it just like me 🙂

    Throw the models and radar time.

  40. Ace, to answer your question about the white lines on the road, it is a liquid salt brine mixture that DOT trucks spray down on the roads and bridge overpasses to pretreat them prior to a storm. When the mixture dries, it leaves the white residue. The salt on the road helps melt the snow at the start of the storm and prevent bridges from icing over at low temperatures. If it is a small storm with only a few inches of snow or the precip is not very intense, the pretreatment may be all that is needed.

    CT DOT does the same thing down here. I am a transportation engineer and our firm does work for DOT so I have heard quite a bit about these newer road treatment techniques. They work pretty well and are more environmentally friendly.

    1. Thanks for the info Mark 🙂 I havent seen this in too many places this winter, just on one particular back road in foxboro and in mansfield. Im glad it is environmentally safe too. Im guessing with 1-2″/hr snow rates it wont do much good

    2. Mark thanks. I read about that a while back and believe of the choices we have it is the most environmentally friendly. I was amazed to find sand is less environmentally friendly than salt

    3. Any clue as to what the brownish/tan clumps are that are mixed in with the salt, at least in Boston area? The first time I saw it on the road, I thought maybe a puppy ate something that did not agree with it’s tummy (and the owner forgot their pooper-scooper) 🙂

        1. John, if it’s sand, it sure is the strangest color and consistency of sand that I’ve ever seen!

  41. Be patient in eastern MA. Snow has a whole lot of dry air to overcome before it reaches the ground. It’s going to take 3 or 4 hours to do that.

  43. Reports coming in from outside NYC with snow numbers way higher than expected. Will post once I see them.

  45. Latest Channel 4 Discussion by Todd Gutner.
    He calls for 4 inches at Logan, 6+ just a couple of miles inland.

    http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/03/18/more-snow-2/

    Here is one thing for which I don’t agree:

    The storm is a bit ragged and unorganized preventing ageostrophic flow and northerly winds to lock in the cold thus, milder air will flow in off the water and also several thousand feet in the air changing snow to sleet and rain by mid to late morning for much of the area.

    Milder air from the ocean is NOT going to give us sleet. If it were milder air from
    the ocean it would go right to rain. 😀

    1. OS, doesn’t the rain/snow line have to go through the proper stages of sleet, fr. rain then finally rain?

      1. I don’t think they go down anymore, John. But you still might be right on with 4-5 inches.

        But I lean towards Hadi with this one!

        1. I agree. Hadi just cracks me up. Saying that in a respectfull way. Did you see I answered your question. I work at a hospital full time.

            1. Its a joke chill. If you don’t know by now I respect your forecasting, just don’t always agree. It’s all good.

    2. I’m having the same feeling, Hadi. Especially after reading this on NOAA – WITH MUCH OF BOSTON REMAINING AS SNOW THROUGH THE ENTIRE STORM… HAVE UPGRADED THE ADVISORY FOR SUFFOLK COUNTY TO A WINTER STORM WARNING.

  47. Whoa…..I feel awful that my post about Pete caused so much trouble on here. I certainly didn’t mean to cause such turmoil. I wasn’t critcizing Pete and was just repeating what I heard him say on the 4:00 news. Having been monitoring this blog during the day I was a bit surprised that he was so confident but wasn’t about to judge. Vicki, I am so sorry that something I said on this blog ruined your day. It certainly wasn’t my intent as you know I consider you a friend.

    1. Sue I never saw your post and you could NEVER do anything to spoil my day – that I can guarantee. I think there was a lot of misunderstanding on both sides……it always takes two. And I’m one of the two 🙂

      I hope you don’t get enough to cancel schools. I haven’t checked cancellations yet but agree with Toms comments above 110%

      1. I am really hoping we don’t have another snow day tomorrow. I can almost guarantee it will be cancelled though because I made lunch tonight for my son. I was going to wait til the morning but figured I’d be prepared for a change. 🙂 So, to all the Plymouth school kids……you’re welcome.

  49. It’s now casting and radar watching, I got a funny feeling there are going to be a bunch of different reports tommorrow morning and can see sue reporting heavy rain and 40 degrees while retrac is in 8 inches of snow and reporting thundersnow, gonna be quite a storm 🙂

  53. I believe I understand John’s reasons for not wanting snow regarding his job at the hospital, but what is your reason Charlie?

    Just curious more than anything else. 🙂

    1. I love my job Philip its just the storms get old after awhile. But its part of my job and that’s all good.

        1. Don’t remind me of all that money my wife and I will be spending. This trip is coming way to fast.

  54. Matt Noyes ‏@MattNoyesNECN

    Reports from SW CT were that snow very fluffy, adding up fast in initial burst, some nearing 2″. Extrapolated that out thru far Srn NewEng

  55. Ooooof. Is this going to be a repeat of the last storm, to a lesser extent? Totally underestimating totals?

  56. Severe storms are really rockin’ and rollin’ down south. Hope they don’t continue into the night, or least the severity of them calm down!

  57. From what I’m reading on twitter things are starting to get interesting and snowing hard in CT and NY!!! I think snow totals are going to way UNDERDONE!

  59. Hi Philip yes it can snow as much as it wants anywhere and I hope it does 🙂 except Plymouth to Middleboro, it’s been very stressful but I think it will be ok, I own my own premium Lawncare comp and getting the season started on Wed in those areas, I do not mow, anyways have a great night

  61. I have been saying this all day and getting grief from a couple. Not sure what I say is funny or cracks people up. Enough of the back and forth and let’s focus on what is going to happen.

  62. Philip… Replied!

    I figure 4 or 5 at Logan, 6 or 7 by the time you get to the west side of the city.

  63. Boston’s records go back to the late 1800s, yet half of the top ten snowiest winters have occurred since 1992. Yup, it snows more these days. 🙂

    1. Sure seemed like more when I was little. Maybe there’s a clue as to why in that statement ………

    2. …And yet our grandparents always talked about going to school in those 3-4 foot drifts. 😉

      1. My grandfather back in the late 70’s used to tell me when I would be disappointed it didn’t snow he would say don’t worry it can snow till May, and I think now it wouldn’t ever snow in may now, we must have had a few good May snowstorms in the early 1900’s or something

  67. Winter Weather Advisory now up for NYC with up to 3 inches of snow.
    Shoreline areas of CT still under a winter weather advisory but NWS out of Upton has a slight increase in snowfall from 1-3 to 2-4 inches.

    1. Record levels I think I heard somewhere. Last time they were this neg was during sandy IIRC

    3. Absolutely crazy. I am starting to see some hope two weeks from now on some of the models or as TK would say a trend but it is way far out and a lot can change. We have been in this negative NAO pattern for about 6 weeks now. Time for a change!

  74. Dusting in Easton too. Looking at NWS snow map, northern bristol county in Ma is right on the edge of warning level criteria. I think this will happen in the next few hours just like the last storm.

  75. It’s only been snowing about an hour here and already have 1″ on the deck. I can verify Todd Gutner’s statement that it is a very light fluffy snow. Temp has dropped to 26, down from 29 at the onset of the snow.

  80. That first little batch is a bonus batch. Still enough dry air to keep the steady stuff away from Metro Boston until after 11 I believe.

  85. The only issue I have with this storm is that all SNE obs. have E or SE winds. Even Albany NY has a south wind at 12 mph. Not to mention Buffalo NY is raining.

    I am still very much on the snow camp…just sayin’. 🙂

  88. Didnt take long to moisten that column. DP up to 26 deg from 9 deg a couple hours ago. That process didnt drop the temp much though, 31 in easton and lightly snowing.

  90. I’m taking a ride up 95 north through foxboro, they’ve sanded already and light snow here, my wife says still no snow in wrentham

  92. Looks like the dry slot around Charlie’s house will persist all night and all day tomorrow. No let up in dryness.

  94. Good thing I’m on spring break this week! And don’t have to worry about driving to school! 😉

    1. And as follow up Kennedy Intl is reporting rain as is Farmingdale Long Island. NW NJ still reporting snow while Trenton has rain and coastal NJ down in AC has heavy rain with temps in the low 40s

  99. Some MA school districts are now considering having classes on Saturdays as many have now used up their snow days. Also having classes on Good Friday is also considered as well.

    1. Not on Good Friday, and I’m Jewish (though my Mom is Protestant). I recognize how important Good Friday is to Christians (about as important as Yom Kippur). I believe it should be a day off no matter what. It isn’t a day off in many districts and businesses, but it really should be.

  100. light snow falling here.
    road conditions morning commute 1-5 scale
    southern most roads of southeastmass, cape and islands a 1
    the rest of southeast massachusetts a 2 out of 5.
    Northeast massachusetts. a 3 out of 5
    central and western massachusetts a 4 out of 5.

  104. Not to jump the gun but see this from our good friend DT at wxrisk regarding the next storm threat:

    “All the midday data is in and the threat for a significant East Coast winter storm on march 24-25 continues to grow with each new model cycle. Even more impressive given that this event is still 6 and 7 days out… The overwhelming amount of strong ….and I mean very strong model agreement we are seeing between weather models (which often argue and disagree a lot) I believe is SIGNIFICANT.”

  105. Mark interesting but I usually like a fair amount of disagreement this far out…Usually if models are all in agreement we either miss out completely or they become big rainmakers.

  106. There actually is quite a bit of disagreement in the models TJ which makes his quote more comical. There will be a storm forming off the coast in that time period and it does bear watching but as of now, model consensus is out to sea.

  108. I can’t even listen to anything DT says. His mean-spirited remarks and foul mouth completely over-shadow his ability as a forecaster. Sad.

      1. TK, you are a peach! I love coming here and chatting with everyone, reading the forecasts and enjoying the banter.

  109. Well, this band in eastern Mass has been good for about 1.25 inches. But, the street looks fairly clear.

    Even though Celts lost, it was one of the best games of the year. Its going to take a while to wind down from this, so c’mon 2 hr delay. 🙂

  111. 😉 for some strange reason, I am actually excited about this snow. Maybe because it is:

    A) snowing on my day off for a change.

    B) I have 4 wheel drive now.

    C) there is a functioning snowblower in my garage now.

    D) I can just relax and ENJOY the snow for a change.

    1. LOL. NAM is totally out to lunch. We have already exceeded the 1-2″ it has projected for NE CT and will likely quadruple that by the time the storm is over. It must have initialized poorly again – it’s modeling this event way too warm.

  115. Been snowing here for about an hr, it has picked up in intensity in last 30 min, a coating so far and temp has actually gone down to 31.4 degrees, goodnight all

  116. Both the GFS and NAM have quite the interesting norlun trough feature extending from the ocean storm towards E/SE MA on Thursday. Perhaps another surprise this week for some?

  117. Temp has come up to 32.6 degrees from 31.4 about 2 hrs ago, also raining on ct and ri coast, light snow here about an inch maybe slightly less

  118. 4″ of snow now in Coventry, CT. We have been snowing at an inch per hour for the last three hours. However, we have just turned over to sleet. Temp holding at 27. And I am seeing reporting stations now in central/southern CT that have gone over to frz rain and plain rain. I really thought the cold air would hold on longer but guess not. Watch that 850/0C line continue to push north towards the Pike in the next few hours…

    2. It went over because the new low hasn’t taken over yet. You still have south and southeast wind at mid levels with warmer air moving in. That turn-over is only about 1 hour ahead of where I expected it to be at this point.

  119. As of 2:25AM at about 3.5 inches of powder fluff in Woburn MA and coming down over 1 inch per hour at the moment. With a changeover in southern CT just a little sooner than I thought, it’s not that far off what I expected. Storm is “following the script” so far. Maybe everything is a couple hours ahead of schedule because it started snowing steadily around Boston a little sooner than I thought it would.

  120. It’s raining and sleeting in most of Ct from Providence southward, I have about an inch in a half to 2 inches in wrentham, moderate to heavy snow, I’m thinking that line is moving briskly northward, could be ahead of schedule

  122. Hello is anyone there? It’s raining here and even I did not think it would change over this soon,, thoughts?

    1. Not sure how you are plain rain as temps are below freezing even well down into RI with freezing rain reported. The changeover was expected to come from the southwest, and it has, about 1 to 2 hours earlier than expected. However, up this way, NW of Boston, we’re still below 30 with dry snow falling moderate to heavy and we are at 4+ inches and going up…

    1. I am just thankful that my areas of concern Plymouth to Middleboro did not get it, I was sweating it out, also still sleeting here I’d say about 2 inches so far, rt 1 is slushy in areas

  128. I hear some sleet against window in Quincy area but still snowing pretty hard out as well. I would say we got at least 6″ of snow.

  133. I had about 5″ this morning when I was cleaning off the cars. I’m at work now. It was snowing when I cleaned off the cars but sleeting when I left. Sleeting all the way up to Randolph/Canton. Snow is now starting to mix in Norwood. I think I am within 5″ of my season snow total guess for Boston.

  134. Joe Joyce ‏@JoeJoyceWBZ

    More snow on Thursday? Definitely Possible. Looks like “NorLun” instability trough could impact Eastern MA. 6+” possible on the Cape! #wbz

  135. Husband said just about 5 inches here. I haven’t been out but looks right. Snow getting wetter

    Tom if you are still there framingham did end up cancelling for the day as you warned.

    1. I saw that Vicki. 🙁

      2 hr delay here in Marshfield …… This whole weather pattern is almost to the point of laughable. I think we’re all owed a couple 90F days, as early as April. 🙂

      A mix of sleet and rain continues.

      1. Ill go for the 90s now. It never feels HHH and you know it won’t last. Glad you didn’t cancel. Just looked and didn’t see anything for marshfield

        1. Me too ! Hoping the 2 hr delay holds, because in the phone call, our superintendent said the roads were poor and he might be calling back later if they dont improve.

  136. Joe Joyce ‏@JoeJoyceWBZ

    Euro printing out .5-1″ liquid for Cape Cod Thurs. All snow. If this run verifies, 5-10″ Cape, 2-4″ east MA. #wbz pic.twitter.com/0XmcFE4dul

  137. Coastal euro kicks up close to .50 QPF for Boston and all snow and more QPF further south. High ratios as well so 6+ is a good bet.

      1. At the same time I think it would be fitting. I remember at the beginning of the winter people were calling Nantucket the snow capital of New England.

  139. Yep see it on radar. I am sure sleet will start coming in over the next two hours. But the damage has been already done snow wise.

    1. Yes. The mild mid levels wont last much longer as the morning proceeds. I have a feeling northern MA/southern NH and ME are in for a snow blitz this afternoon, early evening from the developing secondary/comma head. Maybe some sort of thundershower with sleet and snow in Boston to Plymouth, as well ???

  140. So the snow is going to be over soon based on the radar one last band over boston and northshore and then we are dun? Where is more precip coming from later? Because it lookks like to be over soon based on radar atleast

    1. massachusetts

      …barnstable county,
      south sagmore 1.3 624 AM 3/19 ham radio

      …bristol county,
      taunton 2NW 2.0 458 AM 3/19 NWS employee
      taunton 1.5 419 AM 3/19 NWS office
      new bedford 1.5 403 AM 3/19 ham radio

      …essex county,
      topsfield 7.3 602 AM 3/19 trained spotter
      salisbury 2.5 614 AM 3/19 coop observer
      newburyport 2.5 617 AM 3/19 ham radio

      …hampden county,
      ludlow 6.0 450 AM 3/19 trained spotter
      chester 3.0 340 AM 3/19 ham radio
      westfield 2.6 213 AM 3/19 media
      wales 2.5 528 AM 3/19 ham radio
      monson 1.8 620 AM 3/19 ham radio

      …middlesex county,
      groton 8.3 609 AM 3/19 trained spotter
      wakefield 8.0 558 AM 3/19 trained spotter
      chelmsford 8.0 542 AM 3/19 general public
      concord 8.0 608 AM 3/19 ham radio
      westford 7.9 546 AM 3/19 ham radio
      pepperell 7.4 514 AM 3/19 trained spotter
      natick 6.0 522 AM 3/19 trained spotter
      townsend 6.0 425 AM 3/19 none
      newton 6.0 543 AM 3/19 ham radio
      framingham 5.9 451 AM 3/19 ham radio
      shirley 4.8 510 AM 3/19 trained spotter
      hopkinton 4.0 627 AM 3/19 ham radio
      acton 3.5 110 AM 3/19 public
      hudson 2.0 232 AM 3/19 public
      cambridge 1.5 100 AM 3/19 ham radio

      …norfolk county,
      brookline 8.0 528 AM 3/19 NWS employee
      south weymouth 5.2 406 AM 3/19 media
      east walpole 4.5 606 AM 3/19 ham radio
      needham heights 4.0 208 AM 3/19 public
      sharon 3.0 512 AM 3/19 trained spotter

      …plymouth county,
      hingham 5.3 614 AM 3/19 ham radio
      S hingham 5.0 300 AM 3/19 public
      plymouth 2.0 621 AM 3/19 ham radio

      …worcester county,
      shrewsbury 5.3 451 AM 3/19 general public
      fitchburg 5.3 221 AM 3/19 trained spotter
      leominster 5.0 542 AM 3/19 trained spotter
      boylston 4.6 526 AM 3/19 trained spotter
      templeton 4.0 452 AM 3/19 none
      milford 3.5 436 AM 3/19 general public

      1. (I’m making this up)

        Logan : 6.3 inches, total melted precip : 04 🙂

        that .36 or whatever it was from the last storm when it snowed 10+ inches at temps near 30F. Sorry, there’s not a nearly 30:1 ratio when its 30F and there’s no way the snow was that powdery.

  143. BB has a discussion. I was depressed a bit on the Thursday news, but his view is maybe 1-3 inches in SE Mass Thursday. That, I can handle. Well, I really cant, but if my 2 choices are 6+ or 1-3 ……..

  146. Have to get ready for work.
    A few minutes ago it was snowing like crazy. Now, very light snow.
    Street has been plowed. Looks like a solid 6 inches or perhaps more. 😀

    More later I hope.

  147. Its interesting … To see the effects of the preceeding cold airmass and the now, chilly, upper 30F ocean.

    Nantucket, despite an east wind, is struggling to rise to 38F. Plymouth, Marshfield and Logan are all around that 32F mark and the sleet is holding in pretty well here. Not going to get a ton of moderation from the ocean this go around and eventually, the wind will start backing towards the north.

    1. At the rate things are going, no one on the blog is going to win the snow contest. Everyone will be too low. 🙂

      1. I was thinking John should have stuck with his original 100 inches I propose of we get 100 he gets the prize anyway. Hmmmmm is there a prize or does longshot just pass on the trophy he got last year?

    1. Expected the lull late morning into afternoon. Won’t be surprised if the lull is ahead of timing I had either…

  158. I don’t know how good my final #’s will be but I’m glad I put myself in a 5-10 range because I’m right about 9 now LOL…

    Still snowing but bigger flakes at times and a few sleet pellets.

    Most of this is verifying nicely at least with the idea that the cold air would hang on longest north and east. Mix/change was a bit early, timing-wise. I’ll take it!

    Mobile for much of the day so a few check-in’s but I’ll be back after 3 or 4 for updates, etc.

    Have a great day. 🙂

  159. Thanks, TK.

    It is 30 degrees in Sudbury with about 6 inches of heavy, wet snow. It is snowing lightly w/perhaps a little sleet mixed in. Barely any wind.

    I will now scroll up to see all the comments from above as I just wanted to get my info. in. BTW, anyone notice one common denominator w/most of the snowstorms this season? They all seem to last all day or longer? We used to get snowstorms that would sometimes start at night and be over early the nxt. morning. I know it’s because of the mechanics of the weather, but I have noticed this season the trend for 12 – 24 hr. storms.

  161. Roads r down to pavement on rt 1, and most back roads of foxboro and Wrentham, alot of snizzle and sleet, this whole area ranges between 1.5-2.5 inches, I thought we would have gotten closer to 4 inches but o well, off to pembroke for a meeting 🙂

  162. Just got done shoveling here in Hingham. About 6 inches or so..maybe slightly less. Still snowing moderately at times then it lightens up and some sleet mixes in. Heading off to work in about 40 minutes.

  163. I looked at the NWS totals so far. Of 99 reports, there is only one in double-digits, Lunenburg, MA. That’s me.

    My wife is visiting her Mom in Lancaster, CA where it has been 70-80 every day. We joked that she won’t return until there is no snow on the ground. I wonder if I can keep this a secret.

  164. Read all the comments as best as I could (so many) and the ones from last evening and night. Has been busy here w/personal stuff going on so I am on telephone a lot in the eventing and I tend to go to bed early.

    Vicki, just want to say – 🙂 🙂 🙂 . That’s all! Always want to hear your comments! And everyone else’s comments, too! Definitely looking forward to spring – alas, the birds have stopped singing in our yard the past few days! Who can blame them! Probably all tucked in w/their winter coats and little hats on – too cold and wet to sing! 🙂

  166. Just arrived at work. While digging out there was some sleet mixed in. On drive to work it was all snow. At work it was all sleet. Now at work it is mostly snow.

    I measure 9.5 inches of snow in my front yard at about 7:45 AM!!!!

    YAKADOOLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    😀 😀 😀

    1. Its crazy how you have so much more snow than areas just 10-15 miles to the south toward norwood. Even with the east and southeasterly winds, the r/s line came from the southwest. Goes to show how far the ocean waters have cooled. Every storm this winter has been different but fascinating to follow 🙂

  167. Well, I hate to say it Charlie, but you were right about most areas south of boston (not including south shore area; Weymouth, Hingham, etc. which seem to have overachieved a bit). In Easton, cleared around 2″, then driving to work in Walpole theres maybe 3 – 3.5″ Roads are fine, even back roads. Winter Storm Warning in Norfolk county, at least southern parts of the county, criteria will not be met for this storm. Whatever back edge of this storm we get later this afternoon will have to really crank to get the #’s to verify in this area.

  168. I had to get out to my car to get my laptop, bad planning on my part. Measured up to about 10 1/2 on the best surface, on the driveway where it has clearly melted some and condensed its at 7. This is Andover. Still some light snow.

  169. The dry air was theissue that caused all the sporadic amounts over eastern mass.

    BB does not see much addition accumulation from the backlash south of the city.

    1. That’s disappointing 🙁 Do you see this intensifying more and giving central and northern NE more snow before its over? Looking at some of the obs in that area, not much has fallen yet at all. I’m wondering if this thing doesnt get cranking till its far beyond NE like some of the models were indicating a couple days ago and even recently the euro with lowering the qpfs region wide.

  171. Thank you ace master I somewhat rebounded from last storm, there r huge difference from Boston and south of Boston, I’m relieved plus less stressed today, hadi and os arod etc good forecast for Boston, tk thanks for the hardworking

  175. not really sure what to think right now. is the dry slots going to fill in or are we almost done with this storm. im not sure ….anyone?

  176. I recall reading some predictions of 2-4 for Boston here yesterday so glad some of us stuck with our forecast.

    1. What did Logan get hadi? I think 6.5 you were right on I said 3-4 with almost an inch of that coming in sleet so I was off for the city but right on for south of city and very close for north and west, I think my screw up was basically Boston itself, it’s pouring rain down here as I cross through Bridgewater so it appears that line is pushing north truck temp says 37 degrees

  178. Outside of my City of Boston forecast where I went about 2-4″ at the airport/downtown and 3-6″ western sections of the city proper and the Berkshires where I went 8-10″, the areas in-between worked out well. Boston looks like it is going to be 7-10 inches across the city East to West. North of Mass Pike was forecasted at 6-9″to Worcester County and City of Worcester and looks like that holds well. Went for 10″+ in Northern Worcester Worcester County / Northern Middlesex County. That area creeped a little further south and east into the reading/woburn/stoneham area. 0-1″ on the cape, islands in the south coast seems like it worked out well. 2-4″ in the Providence area seems solid. 3-6″ in the CT River Valley was right on. Was against issuing warnings there. Biggest bust area by margin of error seems to be out in the Berkshires where reports are only verifying at 3-4″ and that was in an area that I called for 8-10″amounts. Sleet mixed there in very early am hours and held amounts down. Was worried about sleet and not rain and that proved true. Ratios were too low in the Boston area and that caused a greater accumulation than forecasted there.

    Don’t see much from the second wave of precip as it will be mostly light and fall in the daytime hours into marginal temps.

    1. Thanks JMA, good call!

      What about areas to the north into northern NE for that second batch of snow? Done there too?

      1. It wasn’t that good. Reasonably unacceptable margin in an area where many people live and that is not a good error to make. Even though the Berkshire County error was bigger it has less effect because fewer people live there and quite frankly they deal with the snow better than city folk do….

        Ace – I think there is more accumulation to come for Northern New England. Inland New Hampshire and Maine are going to be closer to the mid-level deformation zone and the best mid-level dynamics which will create heavier precip falling into colder temps and a coastal front will allow for enhanced lift from the on-shore flow along the coast .

    1. I think there is a reasonably good chance for accumulating snow later Thursday afternoon into Friday Morning particularly Boston South and South of the Mass Pike / East of 495. ECMWF and ENS and to a lesser degree GFS / GEFS both have it. Don’t buy the northern extent of the tongue of precip but feel comfortable in introducing snowfall into the forecast Boston South on Thursday afternoon into Friday morning.

  186. Sleet is a neat word. I believe its origins are Icelandic where it sleets a lot. Perfect conditions for sleet (slydda) as the lows approach the island from the south drawing in warm air (Gulf stream just to its south). At the surface it is often at or around the freezing mark during winter (although never very harsh; Boston gets much colder than southern Iceland) – hence it sleets. Boston gets more snow than Reykjavik, usually, but does not get as much sleet or rain (thankfully!).

  188. Interesting that Providence, which is so close to Boston really, has underperformed in the two most recent storms. And I mean badly underperformed. I spend some time there almost every week and noticed almost no snow after the last storm. This was the storm that left 29 inches on top of Blue Hill and at least 20 in Foxboro (which is figuratively right down the street from the RI line) and perhaps 6 inches in Providence, most of which melted away with rain. It appears this storm behaved similarly.

    Hard to believe the Cape may get 6 inches or more Thursday night. What a year for Cape Codders. Snow blitz after snow blitz. No early spring golfing there, my friends. And how about Nantucket, where the folks usually miss out on the snow action during our nor’easters. Most of the storms have produced quite a bit of snow on the island, with the exception of this storm.

    By the way, in one of my previous posts, where I voiced my opinion about Good Friday (I think that all school districts should be closed on Good Friday; it is far too important (meaningful) a holiday, in my view), I hope I did not offend anyone by saying that Good Friday is almost as important as Yom Kippur. I should not have worded it that way. I meant in terms of significance on the calendar of religious holidays. I was raised Jewish, but my Mom is Protestant. Our ecumenical upbringing, eclectic to say the least, taught us to appreciate the entire Judeo-Christian tradition, as well as understand how this tradition spawned a new religion, Islam.

    1. Thanks for sharing your religious upbringing Joshua. Religion along with politics is one topic i rarely touch, but i think this time ill make an exception. I minored in religious studies, more specifically, the Abrahamic Religions, so I’m always fascinated at how the 3 are linked. Its a unique situation to be exposed to different religions and i think, as u said, it gives a better awareness of the diversity among us and an appreciation and tolerance for others rather than narrow-mindedness and conflict that can and has so often been a part of our history.

      1. I have not had formal religious studies but have spent my life trying to learn about different beliefs. Mine is a combination of so many its only recognizable to me. We did the same with our kids

        Joshua did you know Easter is also not a MA holiday? I never thought about it since it of course is on a Sunday and I have always worked M-F. My son works for the state and when his shift included Sundays it was just a normal workday

        1. That to me is insanity. Easter is very important. Much more so than Christmas, from a religious perspective. Much of the world outside the U.S. gets both Sunday and Easter Monday off, which is the way it should be, in my humble opinion. I’m not a big fan of some secular holidays, quite frankly. Many, like Labor Day, mean so little. If Labor Day was on May 1st, it would have some real meaning, but the first weekend in September, what’s up with that?

  189. Heavy sleet here in Boston, looking at radar doesn’t appear that is there is break and than another band rotating into SNE?

    1. I think by the time that band gets here it’s a tad to warm and it’s rain and sleet, plus I think it shrinks in size some and most of it goes north of Boston IMO, will see though

      1. That comes over area between 1pm-4pm, the mildest part of the day, temps in Boston at that time will be 37-38 degrees imo

  191. Lots of sleet in Reading…

    BTW what may have mislead some forecasters was a mix/change line coming from the southwest and not the east. This played a role in snow #s Boston northward.

  192. Raining here in North Attleboro with 34.5. Jucky if we saw 2 inches before the sleet and then rain set in.

    Some signs the past couple of days that in 2 weeks the east NAO may trend towards Neutral and the west based NAO may not be too negative at that time. Could things finally start getting moving back up in the North Atlantic! The AO is trending back to neutral to a little positive at that time as well, after it bottomed out at some of its lowest readings that it has seen. These are trends and it will be interesting to see if the trend stays this way over the next week. Could we finally see spring by the second week in April! I sure hope so!

    It was nice to be so close to the nearest Boston snow total guess for a week, looks like today may have put us in the low 60’s now for the season to date total at Logan.

  194. I know we’re in the middle of a snow storm, but…one sports take. Mr. Kraft’s comments yesterday about Welker’s agent and how it went down. I don’t have a problem with him putting some blame on the agent, what I think will come back to bite him are his comments about Danny Amendola. He said Wes was their first choice and Amendola was the alternative. Now, Kraft is an intelligent man, but why would be say something like that publicly? Amendola will have a hard enough time as it is trying to fill Wes’s shoes, and to then hear his owner say he was second fiddle? Doesn’t sit too well with Pats fans IMO. Ok, back to the weather!

        1. Don’t think so. Imo, the wording of his posts don’t
          remind me of what I remember of Bob Copeland.
          But, who knows. 😀

      1. I am not AJ. I have never worked on-air in the Boston market. Maybe the next time there is a gathering I can show up?

  196. I believe March’s totals for Boston are now over 20 inches (Logan measurement; other areas like JP are over 25 inches). Could approach 25 inch totals at Logan by week’s end with the Norlun trough coming. Then, next week’s storm(s) may yield several more inches or perhaps a bounty. I don’t think 38 inches in March (record set in 1993) will be reached, but it is not out of the question given the pattern we’re in.

  197. A year ago around this time highs in the 70s and some places hit the 80 degree mark. This year a reality check
    For the month of March Boston is 20.2 inches. 6.4 with this event and 13.8 with the snow earlier this month.

    1. Thanks, JJ, for the updated totals. Logan is not a good place to measure totals. The Boston Common makes more sense. NYC measures its snow totals in Central Park; we should measure in an analogous spot (either the Common or Franklin Park). I think the Common had more than 7 inches with this storm, and came in higher than Logan with every storm this winter.

  198. Been tied up all morning!!! It’s been killing me!!
    Now at least I can check in.

    Been sleeting here at the office all morning. I actually went outside when
    I had to escort my meeting guests out. Was sleeting pretty good.

    So far, anyway, NO RAIN in Boston.

    So far, storm has behaved pretty much as expected and accumulations pretty much
    on target.

    I never liked the 2-4 inches for Boston. 😀

    Now what’s on tap for later? I see pretty good echos closing in from the West.
    Will they get here? Will the coastal explode and deliver a snow blitz?
    Don’t know yet. Even if that does not materialize, it was a pretty decent
    Snow Dump for Boston N&W. Not too Shabby for March 19th. 😀

    1. You and Hadi once again nailed it. I shouldn’t leave out TK because he’s done a great job forecasting and including explanations of his underlying thinking. JMA also does a terrific job in this regard.

      Btw, with the snow cover and clear skies with light winds, tomorrow night’s lows will approach the teens even in the city. I’m so surprised with weather.com at their inaccurate temperature forecasts the past 10 days or so. Even the short-range forecasts (24-48 hours in advance) have been way off. Too much reliance on models in my view; models that have consistently underestimated the cold in recent weeks. Same applies for next week. Do I think it’ll be as cold as this week? No. But, it will not be nearly as warm as weather.com suggests it will be. This is why I am thinking the stage is being set for more snow/mix next week.

      1. You are kind Joshua. Thank you.

        Re: future

        There are a bunch of systems lined up. They will need to be
        watched to see if they make the turn up the coast. If they do,
        certainly Snow or Mix is in the cards.

        I don’t think Winter is quite done with us yet. 😀

      3. Agreed Joshua – OS and Arod and Hadi saw the boston snow most others did not – two storms now. Hadi I apologize as I can’t remember if you saw the accumulation in Boston last storm but know you did this one. Seems the mets did really well outside of Boston too.

  199. I totally agree Joshua, I think measuring at Logan does not give an accurate reading. I think Franklin Park would be a much more accurate reading for real snow amounts.

    1. I’d be perfectly content with the Boston Common.
      But Franklin Park would be an excellent choice. 😀

        1. Exactly.

          Does it all fill in and get here?
          OR not?

          That is the question.

          Also, does MORE develop in response to this coastal
          getting going?

          On these questions, I have no answer.

          We’ll watch the radar and see.

  202. I find this 11AM obs from Montauk, NY to be significant:
    NOTE: Wind from the NorthEast.

    Montauk Airport, NY
    (KMTP) 41.08N 71.92W

    Last Updated: Mar 19 2013, 10:54 am EDT
    Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:54:00 -0400
    Temperature: 39.0 °F (3.9 °C)
    Dewpoint: 37.9 °F (3.3 °C)
    Relative Humidity: 96 %
    Wind: from the Northeast at 12.7 gusting to 24.2 MPH (11 gusting to 21 KT)
    Wind Chill: 31 F (-1 C)
    MSL Pressure: 1005.9 mb
    Altimeter: 29.71 in Hg

  203. Winds across the area are Backing to the Northeast, indicating
    that the coastal will Pass EAST of the area. Now if we can just get it
    to crank out some more qpf. 😀

  205. Agree OS, there was a band set up just south of the city for several hours that really added up. Quincy came in at 10 inches again. My neighbor who just returned from FL yesterday after being gone for 2 1/2 months was excited for the snow 🙂 He measured around 10 inches.

    1. Unless that was Barry, I have ZERO faith in it. 😀

      Look at this NYC Nexrad:

      http://www.wunderground.com/radar/radblast.asp?zoommode=pan&prevzoom=zoom&num=6&frame=0&delay=15&scale=1.000&noclutter=0&ID=OKX&type=N0R&showstorms=0&lat=0&lon=0&label=you&map.x=400&map.y=240&scale=1.000&centerx=400&centery=240&showlabels=1&rainsnow=0&lightning=0&lerror=20&num_stns_min=2&num_stns_max=9999&avg_off=9999&smooth=0

      That is some serious stuff and it doesn’t look like it is just headed to NH. 😀 😀 😀

        1. maybe along and north of the pike, we shall see. Not sold on it but close call in the next couple hours

  208. Boston so far has 62.3″ for the season. This is #20 most snowiest.

    Boston March 2013 snowfall so far = 19.5″

    #10. 72.9″ = 1903-04 (very attainable given continued -NAO pattern) 😀

  209. JC has also said no more snow for Boston the rest of today.

    OS, any chance of dynamic cooling from that precip coming in from NYS?

        1. I’m actually in Billerica today. I called home and we’re at 5.5″. More certainly fell this way but I suspect I’ll get home for more to clear. We’ll see.

  213. That GFS potential that Hadi showed could give Baltimore and DC their first snowstorm Sunday-Monday finally according to Henry Margusity.

    HM?? oops…I guess that probably jinxes it for them in DC yet again, never mind LOL. 😀

  215. There’s some intensification going on right now, but too little too late for us. If it does fill in, whatever does fall will be rain in most of the area. All layers have warmed into the mid-upper 30’s. This thing will really have to deepen rapidly for any dynamic cooling and it just doesnt look like it wants to do that.

  216. Is this storm kinda of a bust for maine? the latest observations i looked at are cloudy, radar does not look impressive, I don’t think they will get 15-20 inches like they were predicted, Temperatures here in Reading is over 32, hopefully when that batch comes it will cool down and make it snow!

    1. Bust for NH too, at least so far. They have been in a huge dry slot all day. I’ve been keeping an eye on the obs from Bretton Woods and its been off and on snow showers, more off than on. Only 2″ so far at the summit. The 12-18″ that was predicted there will have a hard time verifying if this thing doesnt get cranking soon.

  217. Right now, I’m thinking what is to our West and Southwest DOES, indeed, get in here.
    The question is: what precipitation type.

    I’m thinking that if it should start as rain, it will quickly go over to snow and/or sleet. 😀

    Here’s the latest surface map. That system is MORE off shore now. IF it blows up
    just before OR at our latitude, it could throw back even more precip.

    http://weather.unisys.com/satellite/sat_sfc_map.gif

    Still needs watching.

      1. We could have the reverse happen from this morning, areas to the south and west will change to snow first. It could be snowing like crazy in providence and pouring in boston for a time when that batch comes through. One thing it for sure, it will be short lived.

        1. That could be and depending on what happens with
          the coastal, it “may” last longer than you think.
          Of course, it may not, but we shall see. 😀

  218. logans 62.3 inches like jimmy posted above
    who would of know that i only need 2.5 inches of snow until i match up what i put down in the snow challenge for wbz.
    i said boston would get 65 inches. but that was much higher than what i said on here i beleive i said like 40 inches or something like that. I do not think anyone for worcester was close.

  219. MikeyMac 79.0
    John 76.5
    Coastal 62.0
    Old Salty 60.0
    Nick 56.8
    North 55.7
    tjammer 54.0
    Hadi 53.9
    Haterain 52.3
    Mark 50.3
    Cat966g 50.0
    Kirbet 48.0
    Retrac 46.0
    Scott 45.0
    Shreedhar 43.0
    Shotime 42.5
    DS 41.5
    TK 39.3
    Kane 38.5
    Philip 37.4
    JimmyJames 37.4
    Sue 36.2
    Captain 33.0
    Longshot 33.0
    Tom 31.0
    Matt 30.0
    Scott77 29.0
    Joshua 27.0
    AceMaster 25.9
    Rainshine 24.0
    Charlie 21.3
    Vicki 18.3

  220. For the record, it did finally change over to rain in Boston, however, the damage
    was done in terms of snowfall and it only changed over to Very light rain and/or drizzle.
    😀

  223. @BarryWBZ: BEWARE! Batch of heavy snow pushing into Worcester County… expect deteriorating visibility and road conditions! It’s eastbound!

  225. From Todd

    @ToddWBZ: Still working on details but more snow likely along the Coast Thursday night…a few inches…I heart Winter…ha!

  226. As of 1:02 pm Logan has reported 7.0″ for the final? total. This brings the snowfall so far for the season at 62.9″…revised at #19 snowiest. Getting close to Top-15 territory.

    #10. 72.9″ = 1903-04
    #15. 66.0″ = 1892-93
    #19. 62.9″ = 2012-13*
    #20. 62.7″ = 1933-34

  227. Some very clever person on BZ weather posted “It’s no longer March. Today is January 80, 2013”

    More than funny!

    1. Yes, that will, IMHO. Boy does my forecast of 27 inches look really bad. Good thing I don’t fortune-tell for a living.

  229. Great job everyone! Looks like the storm behaved as we thought.

    I’m a bit concerned about this next batch up precip moving through from our southwest. Some of the rain/mixed precip could turn over to a period of moderate/heavy snow and sleet for eastern sections over the next 1-2 hours. This storm may not be over yet especially if the surface low to our east rapidly intensifies.

    The Thursday evening event looks more and more likely to throw accumulating snowfall into our area once again.

    And if you’re looking for spring, keep searching. Yet another coastal low could threaten us with more accumulating snow late in the weekend! 🙂

  230. Hadi and Arod,

    And what Channels/Mets put out that it was ALL over????

    I just don’t get it.

    Some of these guys exude false confidence. Cracks me up. 😀

  233. ughhh when i was looking the at the radar and saw those dark greens, i was like woheww! heavy snoww! but its actually all rain, it looks like boston is gona get rain out of this, no snow in northshore all rain, oh well, my town reading atleast picked up 11 inches of snow so i am not complaining lol

  237. Anyone that got under 3 inches is having there remaining snow washed away from this monsoon moving through eastern mass

    1. Right and soon to be all sleet and then sleet and snow and then snow, then
      it ends. 😀

      We’ll have to see if anything pops with coastal intensification. Probably this is it. 😀

      Keep the obs coming. Thanks

  244. Now Heavy SLEET in Westwood and is covering my driveway. Dynamic cooling is now taking place 😀

    2. How can you say that when it’s been raining all day for all of the southern half of the forecasted area, yes I think we miss the next storm to Far East, I’m not gonna sit by the euro and pray either way just telling u what I see , hope all is well, don’t be mad it’s pouring 🙂

      1. Didn’t rain all day here Charlie. It was a mix up until about 12 and then it’s just been a light to moderate drizzle after that. You are a contrarian…not that there’s anything wrong with that 🙂

          1. I’m a contrarian in all lives………. 😈

            Always wanted to use that emoticon. Now to see if it works.

    3. C’mon hadi you were just 4 hrs ago wondering how much snow we were gonna get from snow backlash?

      1. Son is in RI and said no accumulation at all on back side. May be different story here? Any guesses on how much freezing could happen on roads for pm commute??

      2. Yes and I said we might get something and oh we are getting something. All mets said this was over and it was not.

        You might have called this for south shore and coast but Boston ended up being 95 % snow.

    1. Gee, Why am I not surprised at that????

      Isn’t this exactly what TK and Barry discussed last night?

      Seems to me, they did a great job.

      Too bad this won’t last too long, but on top of what we received overnight,
      that would simply be asking for too much. 😀

    1. OS. It started as heavy rain, then went to heavy sleet and now I’m getting sleet and snow. The turn over seems to be occurring due to heavier precip. This looks to be the last hurrah of the significant precipitation and then all eyes will be on Thursday evening’s and Sunday night’s potential storms 😀

      1. Pretty much going as expected Arod. 😀

        We’ll see about Thursday. I really haven’t given it too much thought. Thursday’s snow, if it materializes, is predicated on
        a Norlun Instability Trough. Very tough to forecast, thus we need
        to be vigilant. 😀

    1. I KNEW IT!!!! Please keep us posted as I am still in Roxbury.

      Just stuck my head out the window. SLEETING here as well and coming
      down in Buckets!!!! 😀 😀 😀

    1. Hadi how long have you worked in South Boston? I did a lot of work in the A and Congress Street Area.

        1. I worked on the corner of Stillings Street from 1998 to 2003. I did the building you work in back in 2000. 346 Congress Street. It use to be a garage at one point and then they closed it in and added a couple of floors. They had a lot of dot com companies in there when it open. Remember Bethany’s? The owner of my company ran that place and leased the milk bottle one summer. TFS was in evert square inch of that neighborhood. The Departed was filmed across the street.

    2. Your funny you won’t get much accumulation from this hadi, you do the same thing hadi only opposite, as always have a good afternoon

      1. Again show me where I said it would accumulate.

        Arod and I are up to our old tricks? Not sure what you are saying.

      2. I always love your posts Charlie….take a swipe at someone then wish them a good afternoon LOL…You crack me….

  252. Hadi I think it’s more about not wanting it but when it comes down to forecast I think I nailed it in my most important areas,

      1. Hadi and arod up to there no good tricks, they r just like me only we r rooting for different precip, it’s all good I understand it’s a weather blog and most want snow and I usually do but not anymore

  253. Visibility is dropping as more snow mixes in. This is awesome. Just wish it would
    last longer. 😀

    Hey, where is TK? He’s been awfully quiet today.

    1. There is sleet mixing in at times but there will be little if any accumulation from this backlash

  256. I never said it would accumulate Charlie. And no if I see rain I will call it that way.

    Charlie I think we all called for more rain than snow in your neck of the woods. I do not recall OS/Arod or anyone else saying all snow in your area.

    Done with this back and forth and moving on. You believe what you want 🙂

    1. Hadi,
      Agreed. We knew there would be more rain down that way.
      We were mostly concentrating on the Boston area, points N&W.
      We knew there would be a sharp cutoff and all the data we looked at,
      indicated Boston would stay mostly snow and it did.

      😀

      1. Absolutely. We knew snowfall accumulations would be cut down only slightly in the Boston area with less snow to the south and slightly more to the north and west. I think we nailed this one!

  259. In Sherborn the temp dropped from 37° to 32° in about 40 minutes as we transitioned from heavy rain to sleet to snow. Road/Driveway were wet and are now white – looks like we may pick up a quick inch or so before the back end pushes through.

  260. sharp cut off of the precip moving in from RI. This should do it. It sure was fun though 😀

  261. As Arod said,
    There are SNOW BALLS coming down from the Sky. 😀
    Huge flakes mixed in. Looks oh so pretty. Too bad it’s going to end.

  263. Today’s high at Logan: 36. That makes it 10 straight days of weather.com underestimating the cold (i.e., predicting a high temperature that did not verify). Often, weather.com was off by at least 3 degrees. I sometimes wonder whether there’s someone at the helm who not only looks at models but also uses some common sense and analytical skills. I’m sure there is such a person, and many capable people over there, but to be as consistently off with temperature profiles is a little surprising.

    Storm on Thursday is not going to impact many of us, but I do think the Eastern sliver of Massachusetts (which includes Logan), but especially our south coast friends and the Cape will get in on the action. I’m going with 1-3 inches of fluffy snow in Boston, and 3-6 south coast, CC, and Nantucket. The farther east, the more snow.

      2. It is lovely isn’t it – neighborhoods reminiscent of days gone by. Houses that you just know have the special touches the new ones don’t seem to have.

        1. The realtor in me is envisioning all the special touches – the built-ins, leaded windows, beautiful fireplaces… they really did things with thought back in the day. Now, everything is so cookie cutter, with a lot of cheaper materials. It’s really a shame.

  265. Just read on the Mass Incident Paging FB page that the North Shore and 495 loop is in horrible condition and State Police are responding to many spin-outs. Be careful driving if you are in that area!

  273. Last batch of SNOW coming through now. The end is in sight. 😀
    Indeed, this was a really good one. The COLD won out in the Boston area, which
    is we thought where the final stand would take place.

    Snowing pretty good here. 😀

  276. Well so here is the final burst. Even this was 1 to 2 hours earlier than I envisioned. Still overall I feel the general idea on the storm was ok, other than what I mentioned earlier today.

    1. Are you kidding, you nailed it!!
      I, for one, am not going to quibble over an hour or 2 in timing.
      The way you laid out the storm from beginning to end was spot on.
      Well done. Your snow totals were in line, even the eventual snow/sleet/rain
      line. By the time it finally flipped to rain in Boston, the precip was basically
      over. Only some very light rain/drizzle left over until this final burst, which
      was rain, to sleet, to snow. 😀

      1. Thanks O.S. .. I did get more snow here than I forecast, and Boston got a little more than I said, and Charlieville got less than I expected, but not by that much. 🙂

        The ice pellets at 3PM were rather large here, corresponding to that yellow area on radar as it came across.

        1. No one is ever going to get every single detail perfect.
          When compared to some of the broadcast mets, you
          were perfect. No one is perfect all of the time, not even you, But you get an A+ on this one. Next time there is an opening, you should apply. We’ll all be references. 😀

  277. I know most feel this storm came as advertised, but really, when its all said and done, it overachieved in and around the city of boston and underachieved pretty much everywhere else. West of worcester and into the berkshires didnt even reach warning level snow, and the mountains of VT and NH did not and will not get the advertised 12-18.” Down East Maine will get its snow from now till late tonight, but other than that, as a whole it seemed like a scrappy unorganized storm that dropped its jackpot right over boston and then continued on its way.

  278. Still a mess westbound just after tolls on pike – TV saying it’s clear but daughter has been creeping

    in case anyone goes that way

  280. Wind just went from calm to due north and the last wave of showers are passing through. We still have a rain drenched 3 inches of snow on the ground. Lots and lots of water on the roads.

    T minus 15 hrs to spring

  281. Don’t worry ace master I’m bitter too, it seems to always snow more north of here than here, I remember as a kid but now I can drive to snow rain lines, weather is great

  282. So, it looks like Thursday and Tuesday.

    Thursday will have to feature a coastal tracking closer to the coast OR
    a Norlun Instability Trough developing. The 12Z GFS really showed the trough,
    although most of the meant of it stayed off shore. The 12Z CMC also shows it
    with quite a bit more precip for Eastern sections.

    http://meteocentre.com/models/explorateur.php?lang=en&map=na&run=00&mod=gemglb&stn=PNMPR&comp=1&run2=00&mod2=gemglb&stn2=PNMPR&hh2=066&fixhh=1&hh=072

    It has to be watched.
    Don’t have any strong vibes one way or the other right now, but if the 18Z NAM
    is to be trusted at all (Probably not to be trusted), it shows no signs of it. 😀
    I need to check out the 0Z runs.

    Tuesday
    GFS has it giving us a pretty good hit. The CMC has it grazing us with some snow.
    TETT. (too early to tell) The Euro? Ah, um, well OTS.

    😀

    1. I have a flight on Wednesday morning. I SWEAR TO GOD, I will murder mother nature if she doesn’t let me escape to a warmer climate.

      1. Never safe to plant in March. I remember as a kid, a neighbor
        after some warmth in March, planted his whole garden. He put a lot of work and effort into it. Even at a young age, I knew he was in trouble.

        Sure as what makes the grass grow green, we had some very cold weather with freezes and then SNOW!

        I thought to myself, what a fool. 😀

    2. Merlin, you can sow your peas in the ground anytime between February 23 and March 9 in this region. Here is a spring planting guide. Just change the zip code for your area. Some vegetables are winter veggies and actually CAN be grown outdoors in the cold.

      http://www.almanac.com/gardening/planting-dates/MA/Lynn

      Peas are considered a cool weather or winter crop that can withstand cold temperatures. As always, you should refer to planting guidelines in your seed catalog.

      P.S. my yia yia (greek for grandmother) was born with a green thumb. She knew EVERYTHING about plants and how to grow them.

      Sas efharisto yia yia!

  285. Good job by the folks who had a good handle on this storm Tk, Oldsalty, hadi and Arod. If I missed anybody sorry. Got the call at midnight to head in, we should have been called earlier. Nice little hit. I heard boston got 6inches but my guess would be more. Looks like I got the above average for snow right in our pool. More snow Thursday maybe, I’m all set.

    1. Yes, you they should have called you there by about 10:30 PM.
      But I’m sure you all did an excellent job. Hope all is well. 😀

    2. Well John you did say that part of this winter would be one to remember. It may have started later than you first said but you had the right idea. 🙂

      Barry and I talked on December 5 when I was with him at a place he was visiting and were in agreement at that point that the winter would probably be back-loaded with snow. I think it’s coming in higher than we both anticipated though.

      1. I’m thinking no matter who wins that John gets honorable mention — he was adamant that it would be a winter to remember and that it has been. Maybe we give him back-loaded support since he wasn’t getting it at the time 🙂

      2. I said it would be colder and really thought that it would be. If we get another big storm I will be inching closer to that 100 inch call. Remember that you all thought I was nuts. It just goes to show that you never know what will happen. We don’t need a ton of storms just the right ones and bang there you go. If the el Nino formed like I thought it would I would have stuck to my call.

        1. You backed away from your 100″ call so you cannot get any credit. To see the amount you “called” simply scroll above.

          1. Or everyone criticized him out of his 100. Either way he said it would be a winter to remember and that was right.

          2. Not looking for credit. I’m a mature grown man so a silly poll on a blog does nothing for me. Have a nice night coastal.

      1. Given the reports around there, that seems a bit low. I think they got over 8. But ok… 🙂

          1. I didn’t doubt Philip, but I did doubt the report. They were missing from the NWS report list for a while too. I wonder if anybody even measured until later when it settled…

  286. Now the prediction on when it’s gone hmmm, I’ll come out with that shortly 🙂 early guess would be thu around here and Sunday or Monday for the remainder of eastern mass excluding retrac, let me take a closer look 🙂

      1. The rain really cleared things up here, it’s thick snow and very dense but we got about an inch left in north attleboro and an inch in a half left through wrentham and foxboro

  287. Merlin, you can sow your peas in the ground anytime between February 23 and March 9 in this region. Here is a spring planting guide. Just change the zip code for your area. Some vegetables are winter veggies and actually CAN be grown outdoors in the cold. http://www.almanac.com/gardening/planting-dates/MA/Lynn

    Peas are considered a cool weather or winter crop that can withstand cold temperatures. As always, you should refer to planting guidelines in your seed catalog.

    P.S. my yia yia (greek for grandmother) was born with a green thumb. She knew EVERYTHING about plants and how to grow them.

    Sas efharisto yia yia!

    2. Thanks, Lisa. Hope you’ll post on the garden page this spring/summer. Always looking for interesting and helpful gardening comments 🙂

  288. I know we just had a meeting a month ago but we should have a woodshill weather meeting in late April or early May, I just want to get word out so maybe more people can come? Thoughts?

  290. Geeez! I’m not concerned about Thu as I think little if any accumulations happens with that but towards late next week something looks fishy

      1. Awesome.

        I hate these night time storms as I can’t watch them, too busy sleeping. 😀 Sure was snowing nicely this morning, prior to the sleet. 😀

  292. Pete wrote a nice piece on the pattern were in right now, nice job. Holy crap Vicki did I just give Pete a compliment, probably because I have not slept since Sunday LOL. No nice piece.

  293. I have the feeling that TK may be correct on the Logan total after all at 7.9″.

    More info on that later this evening! Those Logan measurements….UGH!

      1. You know, I “think” Quincy and Milton and JP are SOUTH of the Mass Pike!!! Who writes this CRAP????????????????????????

        😀 😀 😀

  294. Looking at the long range GFS it has been exhibiting a trend for a few runs now of the 00 and 12Z runs, where things begin to move again and the blocking over the North Atlantic releases a bit and system start to leave here and head to Europe again. This is shown mainly after the 240th hour, but not all the way out at hour 384. Lets hope this trend continues, as does the AO going neutral/positive as well.

  297. US National Weather Service Boston MA
    Special Weather Statement issued for black ice formation tonight into early Wed morning commute. Take it slow. http://ow.ly/je6aR

    I wish they could use correct Grammar!

    That should read take it slowly. 😀

  298. Another NWS snow map. Again they said SOUTH of the PIKE, 1-5 inches.
    I think they need to examine a MAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  299. It’s doing something here. Too light to tell whether it’s rain or snow, but honestly,
    it looks more like rain. 😀

  300. OS, i just read your comment about my 2″ of snow, hahahahahaha. Oh man, its funny, cuz when i posted it, i was like, ut oh… 😀

    1. 😀
      I REALLY wanted to post something more, but I certainly didn’t want to
      offend anyone. 😀

  303. I actually had to go outside to see what it was doing.
    Whatever it is, it’s frozen.
    I think it is snow grains or perhaps Snizzle. 😀

  305. OS I have been laughing since I read that earlier. I nearly fell out of my chair. It was classic and Ace you took it well 🙂

  306. It never stopped precipitating here. It was rain or snizzle or something along those lines. Now its moderate snow and we have a dusting

  314. Snowing nicely here in Dorchester. Since it is obvious this storm won’t quit, I will just wait until morning for the final total from Logan. Knowing them, they probably screwed up the measurements from the start as TK suggested earlier this evening.

    Good night all! 🙂

  315. I’m thinking most don’t get more than a coating to maybe an inch somewhere in Worcester cty but it could give a dusting around these parts,

  316. Snowing Moderately here. Been so for at least 1/2 hour or so.

    Everything covered all over again. Good 1/2 inch so far.

    what an interesting storm. 😀

        1. Awesome North.

          That pretty much supports it, doesn’t it.
          We need to keep an eye this, lest we awake to another foot of snow!!! 😀 😀 😀

  318. That 11.5 that I sent into the NWS may have to be updated soon – still accumulating, slowly, but accumulating.

  321. can anyone explain the JMA model to me. its saying massive storm but the 504 line bends around the entire circulation. would that mean a all snow event even though the center ofthe storm goes right over northwestern mass? i think something is wrong with that run

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