7:02PM
There is not a whole lot of change between the last blog and this one. So revisiting what was talked about in the previous blog, with a little fine-tuning.
Low pressure will track through the Great Lakes this weekend. Its warm front will provide overrunning for increasing clouds during the day Saturday and then mix/snow breaking out during late afternoon and evening from south to north across the area. Enough cold air will be in place for some accumulating snow to start out, with the least chance over Cape Cod. Warm air will be coming in aloft rather quickly, so expect a change to sleet, rain, and freezing rain fairly quickly. Temperatures should warm enough for sleet going to rain in the coastal plain and across southeastern MA into southern RI, but enough cold air may allow sleet and especially freezing rain to occur for much of the night from northern RI through interior eastern MA into southern NH with the exception of the Seacoast area which will also likely change to plain rain. There is a good chance of some icy conditions impacting travel where temperatures remain cold enough to support freezing rain. By later Saturday night to the early hours of Sunday, enough warm air should be in place in all areas so that the precipitation winds up as plain rain, with pockets of freezing rain holding on longest in north central MA into interior southern NH. The warm front may waver around the region allowing southeastern MA and RI to warm significantly for a period of time. Toward the end of Sunday, the cold front from the low pressure area will sweep eastward into the region with rain showers to start, some possible snow showers at night, and a colder/drier trend getting underway. A stronger northwesterly flow on Monday will transport cold air into southeastern New England along with dry weather. At this time it still appears that a clipper low pressure system will come from south central Canada across the Great Lakes and then across the Northeast later Tuesday through early Wednesday with some risk of snow. It should be fast-moving system and not have time to produce too much snow. This will be monitored. Expect a shot of wind and very cold air, the coldest for the season so far, by the middle of next week.
SOUTHEASTERN NEW ENGLAND FORECASTβ¦
TONIGHT: Mostly clear. Lows 15-20 inland, 20-25 coast. Wind W 5-15 MPH, diminishing late.
SATURDAY: Increasing clouds. Light snow or mix possible by late day southern MA and RI. Highs around 30 interior MA and southern NH, 30s elsewhere. Wind light variable.
SATURDAY NIGHT: Overcast. Mix to rain Cape Cod and Islands, snow to sleet then rain southern RI and east coastal MA, snow to sleet and freezing rain interior MA, northern RI, and southern NH except sleet to rain Seacoast region. Snow accumulation less than 1 inch immediate coastal areas, 1-2 inches from central and northern RI through most of eastern MA, 2-4 inches Merrimack Valley through north central MA into most of southern NH. Temperatures 25-30 interior valleys, 30s elsewhere, rising to around 40 coastal areas at night. Wind NE to N under 10 MPH interior MA and southern NH, NE to E 5-15 MPH increasing to 10-20 MPH elsewhere.
SUNDAY: Mostly cloudy. Rain tapering off early from west to east but occasional rain showers possible during the day. Highs in the 40s northwest of Boston, 50s Boston area southeastward. Wind E to SE 10-20 MPH briefly shifting to S over southeastern MA, then shifting to SW all areas 15-25 MPH with higher gusts during the afternoon.
MONDAY: Mostly sunny and windy. Low 20. High 35.
TUESDAY: Increasing clouds. PM snow. Low 15. High 30.
WEDNESDAY: Mostly cloudy with snow showers AM. Sun and clouds PM. Low 20. High 30.
THURSDAY: Mostly sunny. Low 10. High 15.
FRIDAY: Mostly sunny. Low 5. High 25.
I am first! Thanks TK. π
I am not liking Thursday’s forecast!
Thanks TK BRrrrrrr
NCHighCountryWeather β@nchighcountrywx 3h3 hours ago
Air trajectories for next weekβs Arctic Outbreak originate in Siberia in cross polar flow. #wxwnc #wncwx #ncwx
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6YArIEIMAI_676.png
Tk I know I have mentioned it before and maybe a few other but when giving snow numbers can you actually include the wording Boston for snow amounts, many thanks.
Boston will probably get around 1/2 inch at Logan to just over an inch in the far-reaches away from the shoreline.
Thanks TK π remember you will not need to shovel, it will all be washed away by mid morning Sunday while it’s nearing 60 degrees in some locales π
Some people will still need to move it for travel on Saturday night, but most of it will go poof by midday Sunday on the ground, lastly far to the NW.
generally what i been thinking for like 3 or so day nows.
0-2 south of the pike and east of i95
2-4 for interior mass southern new hampshire
4-8 central and northern new england. with higher amounts higher elevations in vermont, new hampshire and maine.
next week system looks weak… probably nothing more than a dusting but to soon to tell.
also extended period of sleet and freezing rain for the valleys. which could limit snow fall.
Mark your calendars – Noteworthy sky watching events in 2015
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/space/10-must-see-skywatching-events-look-2015-n278681
These are great. Thank you
Thanks TK. Spoke to my brother tonight who lives north of a Concord NH. He said they are expecting rain Sunday too. I was hoping for all snow up there
Tk if I reading the temps correctly, would u concur that between 8-10pm temperatures will go above freezing Sat night, by the way nice write up and forecast π
Somewhere in that time frame.
Thanks TK!
Thanks TK.
Todayβs (SIMPLE) AccuWeather Trivia Quiz.
The strongest wind ever recorded was where?
A. Mt Washington
B. Mt Everest
C. Mt Kilimanjaro
D. Mt McKinley
Answer later today.
None of the above. In 2010 Australian weather office recorded the highest wind gust on earth during a cyclone.
http://www.usnews.com/science/articles/2010/01/27/231-mph-nh-wind-gust-is-no-longer-worlds-fastest
I wonder how they measured it. I’m suspicious.
Hadi is correct although Mt Washington still holds the distinction of the highest wind ever ops even by man…..or at least that is what I recall. So IMHO the answer is still A :). It is our mountain and I’m standing by her.
π
Ever ops is supposed to be ever seen or better yet witnessed
As for this coming Thursday, most TV mets are forecasting a high temp below TK’s. I saw one with a high of 10 degrees.
With snow snow cover in place? Doesn’t sound right to me.
Could be a small snow cover from the tues clipper?
Maybe.
Thursday will be brutally cold!!!!!
A.
If there is any wind those temps will feel colder mid to late week next week.
for now I am skipping over today’s slop fest and heading right on into Tuesday night/Wednesday. The models have been all over the place on this, but here
is the GFS redeveloping the clipper South of us. Too bad it is so dry as it’s in a decent
location:
http://www.instantweathermaps.com/GFS-php/showmap-conusncep.php?run=2015010306&var=PCPPRSTMP_2m&hour=093
This is all it could muster
http://www.instantweathermaps.com/GFS-php/showmap-conussfc.php?run=2015010306&time=24&var=ASNOWI&hour=102
Euro wants to redevelop system “just” to our South. Looks interesting.
http://i.imgur.com/oISzkFF.png
We’re the Virginia Capes for that one O.S. Just a storm incubator for the further northeast areas.
Almost, but not Quite. I’ve seen some decent snows
from this set up. Just not enough moisture with this one until it fully taps the Atlantic later on.
This could end up a coating to as much as 4 or 5 inches and anything in between. More likely on the lower end, but
we shall see. π
I’d lean a little more your way if there were blocking in place.
True. I did say more likely on the lower end. However, there are some STRONG
winds aloft creating a crapload of LIFT.
We “could” possibly have a brief period
of heavier precipitation. STILL something to watch.
Not enough curvature in those upper winds. Close but no cigar most likely. Still needs to be watched. Perhaps there is a surprise in there????
For today, this is what the GFS throws our way before the rain:
http://www.instantweathermaps.com/GFS-php/showmap-conussfc.php?run=2015010306&time=PER&var=ASNOWI&hour=048
GFS Parallel
http://www.instantweathermaps.com/GFS-php/showmap-conussfc.php?run=2015010306&time=PER&var=ASNOWI&hour=048
CMC
http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gem®ion=us&pkg=asnow&runtime=2015010300&fh=72&xpos=0&ypos=365
GFS Parallel
http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfsp®ion=us&pkg=asnow&runtime=2015010306&fh=72&xpos=0&ypos=352
And for pure entertainment value, the GFS at 348 hours or about 1/16:
http://www.instantweathermaps.com/GFS-php/showmap-conusncep.php?run=2015010306&var=PCPPRSTMP_2m&hour=336
Another look at it
http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs®ion=neus&pkg=mslp_pcpn_frzn&runtime=2015010306&fh=336&xpos=0&ypos=185
Yup a 961 mb Monster. What are the chances? Slim and none?
It’ll probably end up inside.
More likely it’s a Phantom storm NEVER to materialize.
Just a GFS dream.
It’s been there in one form or another for quite a few days if I recall. Something to watch for sure but I’ll believe a break in the patter AFTER it sets in.
re: Cold on Thursday
FWIW, here are the GFS 2M temperatures for 1PM and 7PM
http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs®ion=neus&pkg=T2m&runtime=2015010306&fh=132&xpos=0&ypos=352
http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs®ion=neus&pkg=T2m&runtime=2015010306&fh=138&xpos=0&ypos=352
Ouch. And with no snow likely, maybe we’ll get some of the best pond ice in years.
Until a Cutter MELTS it all away. π₯
Btw, with these Arctic Highs milling about over the next few weeks, I wonder
if One of them passes just right to set up some ocean effect snows??
Probably not, but I’ll watch for it anyway. π
Comment on Today’s AccuWeather Trivia Quiz. I think the question may be unclear because I am not sure what constitutes a “recognized record.” Mt Washington had the record at 231 MPH and was eclipsed by the Australian recording of 253 MPH, yet neither of those is actually the fastest recorded. Both are the highest surface wind speeds recorded, but there was a tornado, I believe in the late 90’s, where the wind speed was clocked at more than 300 MPH. It did not “count” because it was not the “highest surface wind speed .” I think Hadi’s answer might be correct, but right now I am too lazy to see if it was an official record.
I just checked on the mt washington site. They acknowledge they are no longer 1 as of 1996. But I did remember correctly that their speed stands as highest observed by man.
It is an interesting read
https://www.mountwashington.org/about-us/history/world-record-wind.aspx
Thinking about it….if quiz had said observed rather than recorded, it would have been clear. As you pointed out longshot recorded is very loose
Remember the days when it used to SNOW? Like perhaps this day in the past:
http://www.usnews.com/science/articles/2010/01/27/231-mph-nh-wind-gust-is-no-longer-worlds-fastest
What is WRONG with my copy and paste)(!()@&#(&!@)*(&!*@#&
Try this map
https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/s480x480/1450229_1407399889504622_2033335330_n.jpg?oh=2cd2698bd9ed52b6a20f4abcbac676a8&oe=554008FC
LOL
You are getting probably at least a couple of inches in west Roxbury you should be happy. This will stick immediately.
John please see BELOW
This is me when it doesn’t snow. π
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/1620700_703659166323153_1917347106_n.jpg?oh=9558d6bedc48cca63a9c76e2143f59af&oe=552C8C6D&__gda__=1428556734_1f9cf32cbfe23168d450413013eca21f
hahahahahaahahahaha. Oh man, you’ve got me beat.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAcQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FThe_Scream&ei=YwCoVOauKYScgwSY0YLQCA&bvm=bv.82001339,d.eXY&psig=AFQjCNHxIw7nn34wCyJ871vj7-orZKHLeQ&ust=1420382691047596
C’mon give us a real link. IS this what you meant?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/The_Scream.jpg/220px-The_Scream.jpg
Yeah, I screwed up.
Looks like the sun gets some strong winds too. Must be global warming.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2894840/Mystery-sun-s-south-pole-Nasa-reveals-huge-coronal-hole-solar-surface-winds-jet-500-miles-SECOND.html
Awesome, thank you.
Yeah. A mystery. You mean because they have just noticed it “recently” even though it’s been there for a few billion years. π
12Z NAM snowmap for today. Shows it snowing roughly 6-10PM, then rain along the coast and crap inland.
http://www.instantweathermaps.com/NAM-php/showmap-conussfc.php?run=2015010312&time=PER&var=ASNOWI&hour=045
No ‘real snow” will be around for at least 3 weeks.
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shut it longshot, those words do not belong in the same sentence, I bet you we get at least one snow storm that 4 inches or more occurs through most of massachusetts.
I’m not saying we’ll get this, BUT here is the tale of SNOW from this clipper system
arriving mid-week:
http://www.instantweathermaps.com/NAM-php/showmap-conussfc.php?run=2015010312&time=24&var=ASNOWI&hour=075
http://www.instantweathermaps.com/NAM-php/showmap-conussfc.php?run=2015010312&time=24&var=ASNOWI&hour=078
http://www.instantweathermaps.com/NAM-php/showmap-conussfc.php?run=2015010312&time=24&var=ASNOWI&hour=081
http://www.instantweathermaps.com/NAM-php/showmap-conussfc.php?run=2015010312&time=24&var=ASNOWI&hour=084
Interesting
Latest HRRR total snowfall as of 11PM tonight:
http://rapidrefresh.noaa.gov/HRRR/for_web/hrrr_ncep_jet/2015010313/t3/acsnw_t3sfc_f15.png
Showing 2-4 inches in Eastern sections with up to 6 inches farther inland.
Not saying this is correct, just display the output.
Btw here is the 1 Hour snowfall ending 11PM. SO this shows it STILL SNOWING
at 11PM
http://rapidrefresh.noaa.gov/HRRR/for_web/hrrr_ncep_jet/2015010313/t3/1hsnw_t3sfc_f15.png
Not for nothing, but that is some pretty intense snow rates.
1 hour snow ending 10PM
http://rapidrefresh.noaa.gov/HRRR/for_web/hrrr_ncep_jet/2015010313/t3/1hsnw_t3sfc_f14.png
Ending 9PM
http://rapidrefresh.noaa.gov/HRRR/for_web/hrrr_ncep_jet/2015010313/t3/1hsnw_t3sfc_f13.png
Ending 8PM
http://rapidrefresh.noaa.gov/HRRR/for_web/hrrr_ncep_jet/2015010313/t3/1hsnw_t3sfc_f12.png
Ending 7PM
http://rapidrefresh.noaa.gov/HRRR/for_web/hrrr_ncep_jet/2015010313/t3/1hsnw_t3sfc_f11.png
This shows the COLD air holding tough for awhile.
What it misses is the rate of warming aloft.
Ok, I understand that, but WHY? is the big question.
IF it is a valid model, it should damn well pick up on that. π
So it’s not the intensity that is wrong, it’s the duration of the snow before the changeover.
It shows 850MB freezing line still South of Boston at
11PM tonight. What is your guess, 2 hours too slow
with the upper warming?
Thanks
About 2 hours.
And I’m not sure why the model can be so great sometimes and so bad others. Nobody can seem to explain it.
I guess it’s the high risk, high reward principle, applied to weather forecast models. π
Thanks TK.
π
why you killing are hopes and dreams π
That will be quite incorrect. π
Tk I see you’re out there.
Do you think the HRRR is on top of this situation today OR is it in LA LA LAND.
As you say sometimes it is very good and at other times it’s full of SHIT. π π π
IF the HRRR is correct, it will be BRUTAL traveling this evening.
Sorry, I see you responded it the EXPECTED manner. π π
That is full of crap π
I hear rondo is talking and said he never liked it here, and was hoping for a trade to a perennial contender, headlines in Dallas morning news paper, feels like home in dallas, sickening
He’s a DICK. Good riddance to him!
I agree he’s talking though
He liked it here enough when he won his one championship with the Big 3. Rondo is a manchild who will always be an enigma.
12Z RGEM total snowfall for tonight’s system
http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=rgem®ion=neus&pkg=asnow&runtime=2015010312&fh=48&xpos=0&ypos=388
12Z NAM 4KM snow
http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=nam4km®ion=neus&pkg=asnow&runtime=2015010312&fh=60&xpos=0&ypos=270
12Z NAM 12km
http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=namconus®ion=neus&pkg=asnow&runtime=2015010312&fh=48&xpos=17&ypos=255
0Z WRF ARW
http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=wrf-arw®ion=neus&pkg=asnow&runtime=2015010300&fh=48&xpos=17&ypos=545
0Z WRF-NMM
http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=wrf-nmm®ion=neus&pkg=asnow&runtime=2015010300&fh=48&xpos=17&ypos=348
So I’m hearing arival between 3-7. Ch5 has lowest amount 0-1 ch7 saying maybe upto 2 inches. If it arrives on the earlier side say 4pm which I think it does and the colder air hangs on longer than projected say midnight that’s 8 hrs of acumlitaion which will stick immediately on impact. So it’s not out of the question that some of bostons neighborhoods say where old salty is west Roxbury, Brookline, Alston, dot etc can receive upto 4 inches maybe isolated 5 before the changeover. So to sum it up arriving on the earlier side and changing over on the later side. It’s all just a guess here
TK says warm air arrives aloft earlier than some models are forecasting, which means shorter time for snow.
I don’t think it arrives in Boston until about 7PM.
And snows until about 9-10 PM. Total amount for Boston an
inch or 2.
HRRR calls for more like 4 inches, but TK says that is incorrect.
However, David Epstein is showing the HRRR.
I’m sticking with an inch or 2 tops.
Tk may be wrong on this one for Boston with no disrespect. It’s going to take time for that cold air to go poof!!!
Think above us John.
At the surface, and inland, yes.
Warms aloft extremely rapidly with strong southerly wind, and then near the coast quite easily with southeast wind 10-20 MPH and higher gusts. No contest.
Radar Loop from Dave Epstein (FYI it’s the HRRR)
https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/B6b_fx_CIAAu-RJ.mp4
The 12Z REG has it starting just after 5PM
http://collaboration.cmc.ec.gc.ca/cmc/cmdn/pcpn_type/2015010312/I_nw_r1_EST_2015010312_010.png
Has it snow until about 9PM+
http://collaboration.cmc.ec.gc.ca/cmc/cmdn/pcpn_type/2015010312/I_nw_r1_EST_2015010312_014.png
http://collaboration.cmc.ec.gc.ca/cmc/cmdn/pcpn_type/2015010312/I_nw_r1_EST_2015010312_015.png
Shows about 1/2 inch per hour. Add it up. That’s about 2 inches of snow.
Right in line. π
Starting to cloud over now where I am. The sun was out for a good part of the morning. It does not have that snow feel. Still thinking 1-2 inches before this becomes a rainorama.
Just saw a forecast of mainly rain for Boston south and east with 1-3 along 495 belt north and west, is it trending that way tk?
Who made that forecast???
I think I was on a Rhode Island station, not sure which one
What the hell do they know??????????????
Lol
Blizzard warnings again for Hawaii.
http://forecast.weather.gov/wwamap/wwatxtget.php?cwa=hfo&wwa=blizzard%20warning
Snowy pattern there. It happens. π
32.1 degrees currently
Retrac, did you say INSIDE for the 16th? π π π
http://www.instantweathermaps.com/GFS-php/showmap-conusncep.php?run=2015010312&var=PCPPRSTMP_2m&hour=300
Long long way to go. But it is beginning to show some consistency here.
Perhaps we have something. It will probably end up RAIN despite all of the COLD air. π
Harvey Leonard β@HarveyWCVB 2m2 minutes ago
Snow looks to begin between 3 & 4pm in Worcester and around 5pm in Boston. Slippery early ton #wcvb
I still think it starts a bit later in Boston, more like 6 or 7PM.
Let’s see how wrong I am. I’ll report 1st flakes later today.
I hope that tracks to the sweet spot. Long way to go but possible AFC Championship Game in New England with snow
That would be something for sure. Looooooooooooong way off. Anything could happen. Just nice to see on consecutive runs. We’ll keep an eye or 2 on it.
Harvey Leonard β@HarveyWCVB 3m3 minutes ago
Expect about 1″ in BOS & along I 95., 1-2″ N & W of 128, 2-3″ N&W of 495, before changeover #wcvb
Makes sense.
John, it looks like you don’t agree with Harvey this time. π
Just guesing Tk. Again no disrespect at all .
I was just teasing you. I know that Harv is your favorite. He’s a great met.
You are as well.
Thanks π
Even the HRRR has backed off on snow totals for the area. Now saying
1-2 inches for Boston. π And only 2-3 inches to the West.
About to start in NYC. May even start right as RAIN there. π
HRRR is starting to get an idea. For this system, Logan will get under 1 inch. The “back streets” of Boston may get 1-2 TOPS if the heavier slug of precipitation arrives while it is still cold enough above to support decent snow. Otherwise, and also in reference to what Charlie heard, there is really no need to change anything posted above. I’ll review everything in a bit and tweak if necessary as I will be doing a new blog before I head out after today’s Bruins game. Taking my friend’s mom to dinner for her bday in southern NH. We’ll be popping over to Hampton Beach after that to see a little evening snow at the shoreline then coming home on treated highways which will likely be just wet. However, prepared for slippery going should we end up with “worst-case” scenario.
BTW, down the road, after the Arctic blast, there are some signs of a tilt back the other way and the storm around mid month will likely ride inside as far W as the Great Lakes.
Of course. Why would it be any other way.
Get Arctic Cold and then replace it with Bleepin CUTTER!(@#&&!*()@&#*(!&@(#*&!*&@#*&!*@#&*!&@*#&*!&@*#&!*&@#*!&*@#&*!&*@#&!@&#!&*@#&!*&@#*(!&(*@#&*(!&(@#*&!*&@#!&@#*&!*&@#(*!&@*#&!*@&#
I can see a similar scenario for January 15-16. May follow it with a big blast of Arctic air.
Thanks enjoy your day
Have a good day Charlie. Will be fun to see how things set up for next week, NFL-wise.
π
Will this be the coldest of the cold for the entire winter mid to late week next week?
no we see more of the same
Probably not. We get another couple shots similar or greater magnitude through early February. We may never be able to sustain it though.
I believe we find out today who the pats play is that corect the Baltimore game right.
Yes, if Baltimore wins tonight, they would play the Pats next Saturday…would not good either.
Playing Baltimore…worst case scenario.
Oh I agree. So if Baltimore losses we find out tonight who we play cinci or colts is that corect
Not this year’s batch of Ravens…..I’m actually more worried about the other teams (altho not all that worried).
I agree Keith
Pittsburgh will beat Denver and Pittsburgh will be now slouch here either in the AFC Champ. game.
Top-10 LEAST Snowiest Januarys (Boston/Logan) π
1. 0.3″ = 1913
2. 0.4″ = 1980, 1982
3. 0.5″ = 1967
4. 0.7″ = 1911
5. 0.8″ = 1934, 1986
6. 0.9″ = 1955, 1969
7. 1.0″ = 2007
8. 1.3″ = 1933
9. 1.5″ = 1988
10. 2.0″ = 1937
Oh man, that’s an ugly list.
First flakes have just started to fall outside my window a half hour earlier than forecasted.
NWS Boston β@NWSBoston 36m36 minutes ago
[1p] Latest HRRR model runs have come in cooler than their predecessors; holding onto wintry precip-types longer over CT / MA
great – more freezing rain and sleet.
So what is that the NWS believes about the HRRR
The latest calls for 2-3 inches for Boston, up just a bit.
We shall see. π
Did you see 12z O.S. with the 17th storm now trending inside. You can’t make it up. The storm tracks just plain “wants” to be west. I have a feeling we’re going to have a very short window to get the snow totals up in. Especially if TK turns out correct with winter breaking mid-march. I’m not betting against that or him for that matter.
I saw it, posted it and then PUKED my guts up. I’m still heaving. I can’t stands it no more. :cry π₯ π₯
Now I am curious…What does “HRRR” stand for??
“Hey! Rapid-refresh rots!”
Is that inside MET talk? OR did you just make it up. If you did, very clever!!!!
Made it up.
Philip on a serious note here ya go:
The High-Resolution Rapid Refresh (HRRR)
The HRRR is a NOAA real-time 3-km resolution, hourly updated, cloud-resolving atmospheric model, initialized by 3km grids with 3km radar assimilation over a 1-h period (since 5 April 2013), adding further detail to the HRRR initial conditions otherwise determined by the hourly data assimilation from the 13km radar-enhanced Rapid Refresh (ESRL version).
They are in love with HRRR and it usually cheats on them. π
I thought it might be something like that.
You had better speak to them and straighten them out.
Now we have a chance to see how it performs. Boston’s snow total WILL tell ALL. π π π
So I’m not that far off on my guess. This one may surprise us as the cold hangs on.
Just because NWS buys that HRRR run doesn’t verify any forecasts yet. History also shows that model performing VERY badly this season so far.
I guess we just wait it out and see.
Snowing at a moderate clip now where I am. This is the first snow I am seeing in over a month.
Nice.
Keep the snow dance going.
Do NOT let it changeover!!!!!!!!!!!
Boston = 30 Degrees with Dew Point = 16
Bedford Dew Point = 8 Degrees.
Interesting.
NYC Kennedy Aiport = Light Rain
Laguardia Airport = Light Snow
See that often
I don’t call these systems snow events. They’re mostly rain events. No-one will remember the snow that falls for a brief time and then quickly changes over to rain (I don’t think that there will be much sleet – look for a quick change-over to sleet/mix and an even quicker change-over from sleet to all rain, along with a relatively rapid rise in temperature overnight). The front-end glop on your car and lawn will VERY quickly melt (evidence will be very hard to find tomorrow morning in and around Boston). Tomorrow will just be a showery, dismal day which won’t feel remotely like winter. Slightly different story in the interior, but even there with temps easily approaching the mid 50s tomorrow in most places it’ll feel balmy and wet. Boston may hit 60 or above. I expected southeastern Mass. to definitely hit 60 or above. Thankfully, however, our pattern has changed so that we only have to endure about 24 hours of mostly rain, and then we once again get into a dry pattern with ample sun and cold. I’m fine with that, so long as it feels like winter outside and is bright, and rainfall from the never-ending series of cutters is limited.
On NECN I watched a newscast the other night in which weather featured prominently. The weather person said that it would turn “very cold and sunny” by the end of the week, to which the newscaster responded “that’s irritating.” I wanted to say, what’s more irritating: Rain and 40s/50s (e.g., the kind of weather we had for weeks on end in December) or cold and sunny? I’ll take cold and sunny any day. I LOVE the invigorating, refreshing cold and sunny days in Boston. Nothing beats it, in my opinion. Of course, everyone’s tastes are different. I know that. But, I’ve never understand a preference for rain and fog over cold and sunny.
It won’t just be on cars and grass tonight Joshua if that’s what you meant. I’m sticking with 2-5 in all of bostons neighborhoods. At least 2 as much as 5. I’m guessing this by changeover takes longer and snow starts around 5pm. All of this is just speculation.
You could be right, but take a look at the temps to our south and southwest. Not a good sign for snow, at least not for SNE. I do think the mountains do fairly well. Boston will have an inch, perhaps, with the western suburbs checking in at 2 or 3 inches before the changeover. Even there, there won’t be much evidence of snow by Sunday morning. Rapid rise in temperature will melt away the snow very fast. Fog will also play a role.
From a selfish perspective, I’m upset with the warm-up because the natural ice was beginning to form on the Public Garden pond, but that ice will be melting along with the glop from the storm. I hope that the cold later this week does the trick. I like skating there.
The cold air next week after a brief warm-up tomorrow will set things up there.
Ok tonight we find out if we play Baltimore or not. Honestly think that is a bad thing. We never do good against the ravens, even when we do play them because of the way the ravens play.
Scenarios for
Ravens vs pittsburgh
cincinnati vs Indianapolis
Tonight. We find out if we play the ravens since the ravens are the lowest seed. with the winner of the other game going to Denver
If the steelers win, then they go to Denver and the winner of tomorrow’s game goes against the patriots.
So what ever the case will not face the steelers until the afc championship if they or the pats make it.
We play Pittsburg. Take it to the bank. π
Pittsburgh. I knew that didn’t look right. π π π
So if Pitt wins we play them? I’m good with that.
no we do not the steelers we play the colts or bengals if the steelers win the game tonight. or the ravens if the ravens win tonight.
Either team should be manageable for the Patriots. The 2014 Ravens are NOT the Ravens of old. Decent team. Not nearly as consistent as the team that beat NE in Foxboro. Pittsburgh is even more manageable, in my view. I expect the Patriots to easily beat either team. I am also not especially worried this year about the championship game. But, I don’t think NE wins the Superbowl, especially if Seattle is in it (which I expect). I also think Dallas would present a formidable challenge tot eh Patriots, in spite of their presumed playoff weakness.
As a Cowboys fan Joshua I agree with your assessment. Dallas playing their best football right now.
They have not lost a road game this season and have beaten Seattle in Seattle. I am taking it one at a
time and lets go be the Lions tomorrow and we have a date with the Packers in Lambeau next Sunday.
Patroits would play the lowest seed remaining since they are the 1 seed. Pittsburgh is a 3 seed. They would play Colts Bengals or Ravens next Saturday.
Coating of snow in just under an hour.
Thanks, JJ, for the clarification. So, I was wrong to think the Pats play either Baltimore or Pittsburgh.
I don’t think they can play a 3 seed….is that correct JJ?
correct vicky 3rd would go to denver
Thanks TK π
NFL predictions for this weekend:
Home teams will be very disappointed, 4 times.
I hope not. It would be disappointing if Cowboys lose tomorrow. If they do the headlines can’t win a playoff game Romo
chokes in a big spot… If they win tomorrow and advance I would call that a great season.
Check out the temp differentials from Quebec City to Boston (4F; 31F, respectively). Then Old Saybrook, CT to Atlantic City (35F; 46F, respectively). Not extremely dramatic differences, but fairly typical for this kind of weather system. Quebec will get mostly snow out of this system – close to a foot); Boston will get an inch, I think; south of Providence along the coast no snow.
Thanks OS for answering my “HRRR” question. π
I predict Boston sees snow by 6:00 pm…maybe even just after 5:00 pm?
Here is a link to the HRRR site in case you are interested.
http://ruc.noaa.gov/hrrr/
It may come in a quick burst like it did here. Been snowing here for 90 minutes now and at least out my window there is about a half inch of snow. The snow came here a half hour earlier than forecasted.
TK said a couple of days ago these system have a tendency to come in earlier than expected. Thanks to his advice, we went for plan B and had the bday party at noon.
Snow has begun!! Small flakes light
Charlie hole fast approaching from Pennsylvania!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?animate=true
This WILL help keep the cold around a bit longer
http://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/sfc/90fwbg.gif
No SNOW here just yet. Getting close.
Thanks for the link Old Salty to the radar. Meteorologist Mike Cameron was mentioning a lull in the action in about another hour or two here in western CT which will put an end to the snow. Then a mixorama for a time then the dreaded rainorama.
Barry Burbank β@BarryWBZ 3m3 minutes ago
Roads Quickly Becoming Slippery As Snow Moves In From The West. Bursts Of Briefly Moderate Even Heavy Snow Probable.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6dJExgCYAAYaar.png
NWS Boston β@NWSBoston 1m1 minute ago
[4p] Our latest forecast update with regards to anticipated hazards
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6dKEY6CUAExEUx.jpg
Hmmm. Nada on south coast ? Thank you OldSalty.
Spitting snow here. Just started. Temp 28.8
When the snow started here at 1:30 pm it did not take long for the side streets to get a quick coating of snow and it was getting slippery as I left my mom’s house to come back to mine.
Very good to know. Thanks JJ
Total HRRR snowfall as of 5 AM tomorrow:
http://rapidrefresh.noaa.gov/HRRR/for_web/hrrr_ncep_jet/2015010319/t3/acsnw_t3sfc_f15.png
First flakes!!! 4:39PM
So much for my 6 PM prediction. π π
Unless there is a big burst coming through here that model run you just posted Old Salty will be just a bit off from my area but only by an inch inch and half at most. Pretty close.
Flakes flying in chestnut hill.
Here too Hadi. π
Picking up in intensity.
Daughter said the sanders are dumping sand on streets in framingham.
Sand? no salt?
Nope. Tons of sand she said. No idea what the thought process is. Maybe someone does??
There is no thought process. It serves NO purpose at all.
I guess they think it provides traction. Not when covered
with SNOW!
Sure it’s not MIXED sand? That is often done
Charlie Hole expanding over Central MA moving Eastward.
http://www.wunderground.com/weather-radar/united-states/ma/boston/box/?region=bml
1.5 inches I just measured in the front yard. First accumulating snow I have seen since the day prior to Thanksgiving when 2.5 inches fell.
Barely a flake now. π
Still spitting here. Stopped for a bit and then started up again.
Well that was fast. Just as JJ said, all surfaces have a quick coating
Snowing nice and steady. Turning white out there. π
Been snowing here about an hour now.
Half inch of snow accumulation, a light steady snow 30.7 degrees, back roads r very slippery, becareful
Dave Epstein β@growingwisdom 4m4 minutes ago
Snow won’t last that many hours before sleet starts mixing in. Change to sleet/rain 9PM-11PM metro Boston
NWS Boston β@NWSBoston 36s36 seconds ago
Great report! Let us know your snow total! RT @Jim_Tripp_Pock: Moderate snow in Oxford, Ma. Temp has dropped from 28 to 25 since snow began
I think it’s towards the later time
Looking ahead to Tuesday we MIGHT actually have a system with no mix changeover issues. Looks like a level 1 snowfall
1-3 inches. Bigger story the coldest air of the winter so far behind that system.
NWS Boston β@NWSBoston 46s47 seconds ago
RT @Weather92: 1.3 in. at 5pm, South Windsor, CT. Currently S+ and 28!
1″ and snowing pretty hard right now. Fluffy stuff
We might get more snow with this system than we had in all of December at the official recording sites.
Sleet is mixing in
I got the same thing you got Charlie but not before 1.5 inches of snow fell.
Anyone who has to travel tonight be careful out there.
Straight sleet and drizzle
I am still snow and sleet, mostly snow. 29 with a dp of 22
6pm light snow falling and 1″ of snow over 3 hours in the central CT River Valley of MA. 1st hints of sleet now mixing in. Fotecast looks right on track.
No surprises with this system.
There never is with this type of track.
Snowing hard right now in Boston, but, as we know larger flakes often mean a mix or changeover is imminent. In addition, it smells like a changeover is imminent as the east/southeast breeze kicks in off the relatively warm ocean. I think there’s a temperature inversion right now which could imply that initial sleet and rain would freeze near and on the surface. Be cautious while driving (or walking).
Rain and sleet south attleboro
Wonderful combination, Charlie: rain and sleet. Of course, I’m being sarcastic.
I do like the word “sleet” which comes from Icelandic (old Norse) “slydda.” By the way, Reykjavik, Iceland gets A LOT of sleet. Much more sleet than snow. And much more rain than snow.
Snow here. Maybe .5. Daughter said 1.5 Uxbridge.
2″ here now. Heavy snow. No mixing yet.
Got in 1/2 hr before first snowflakes. Thanks to everyone for the excellent start time !!
Over last 60 – 90 minutes, probably got 3/4 inch to 1 inch with spells of moderate snow.
Snowing good Tom up by Khols. Glad you got home safe .
Thanks John.
Same here, probably a bit over 1 inch now.
Temp dropped to 26.4 here
It’s raining and sleeting in north
Still all snow here.
Haven’t measured but probably around 1.5 inches here in Wrentham. Started just after 4:00. Temperature cooled several degrees as it started. It’s let up now but still all snow.
Same in Uxbridge. It started there around 3:30
TK again…thank you for your advice re storm timetable. We would have had to turn around before even reaching party. Can’t take the chance of mac walking in it and I don’t want to drive !!
All snow in pembroke.
In Medford and snowing decently…
Checking in from Newington NH. Light to moderate snow… 1/2 inch so far.
Snowing hard here now. SMALL flakes. NOT big flakes. Looks beautiful out there. π
All rain and sleet in Wrentham temp has inched up to 29.9 degrees
Total snow 1.6 inches π
Not sure what Wrentham you’re in Charlie, lol. 28 here with light snow. It sure isn’t raining at 30 degrees either way.
A little sleet mixing in too just within the past few minutes.
I’ve got mostly rain now π
Kiss of Death….Big flakes mixing in as it tries to snow even harder.
Temperature creeping up after dropping off a bit when snow commenced.
Up to 30.4 here. Light Easterly drift of wind.
Wind SE at Airport and from there ALL along the coast.
Beverely East wind. East at Bedford and Blue Hill.
NE at Norwood. Hmmm
It has the sound of snow….I love that sound. Its really a nonsound. Emily?? I need help describing it :). βοΈβοΈβοΈβοΈβοΈβοΈβοΈ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37pOVd7hEvQ
That’s it. Did you listen OS? I think I must be doing something right as a nana. My 7 yr old grandson climbed up beside me as I was watching and said….”oh, the sound of snow”.
Thank you
Yup. Pretty much right on when there is wind with it. π
snowing here in billerica rather light/moderate at times. about a half inch of snow. everying is snow covered though.
Mostly rain here in wrentham Plainville line a few sleet pellets
http://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/sfc/90fwbg.gif
Do we have a coastal developing a bit early?
They do have that low on the surface map, but I dont think its very relevant.
More so to indicate that inland North Carolina or inland in the mid-Atlantic States, the light north wind persists and its cool, but the warm air is surging north along the coastline.
Temps and dewpoints in Cape Hatteras are in the 60s.
Warm air is already surging above us.
However. IF this were to keep the Winds N or NE inland,
could cause a prolonged period of icing. That is my concern.
Too late for snow storm here. π
For sure ……
I’m sure deep inland locations and valleys will struggle towards 32F the next many hrs, so hopefully …. the precip wont be too heavy.
About 2″ in my driveway and pouring down, which always gets more due to the slope.
Just small flakes again. ALL snow. π
2.5″ and sleet now. That’s a wrap
This was nice …. I know everyone was saying the snow would happen, but I’m still surprised we got a bit more than an inch.
I hope the Tuesday system pans out because I would like to see some snowcover hang around for a few days.
I’m thinking its close to 40F by midnight in Marshfield, jumping over 50F by dawn and if someone hasnt looked out their window the last few hrs, they wont even know it snowed.
Yup it’s gonna go poof by morning π
When you were a little boy, did you delight in popping balloons π
It appears that after the snow rain will only last a little bit. System is moving along.
Still Snow here but temperature is not cooperating. Up to 31.1 as it continues to rise.
I’d say an inch to 1.5 inches so far. Perhaps we’ll make 2 inches.
Agree OS about 1.5 getting close to 2.
I haven’t gone out, but was watching a neighbor’s dog. There is a bit of depth to the snow. π
Maybe an inch here but still in 26-28 range all through this area
C’mom people, we just have to embrace it. This year’s winter theme song.
http://youtu.be/yXP4zkr8GIo
Lol
30.9 degrees
The snow amounts are not going to build as one travels north and west.
Because a heavy batch of precip nosed into Southern New England before the column warmed, there’s been a good swath of 1-3 inches in many areas.
But, where there was a predicted 2-4 or more further north and west, I dont think there’s a chance at that because now that the heavier precip is arriving there, the warm air aloft is also arriving at the same time and those snow amts are not going to be realized.
About 2 inches here in Hingham…still snowing but it’s warmed up a bit in the last half hour
I would bet maine gets into the the higher snow amounts. Cold air will hold on much longer.
Sounds like sleet on the window even with colder temps. I enjoy the sound of sleet as much as the nonsound of snow. Wish I were at the coast but enjoying my window seat right here
Pains me to see all the salt going down…
Epping NH now. Just over 1 inch. Low vis.
I used to race in epping. Got my 100 mph patch. Have fun TK
Star or Dragway?
Kind of sleet/ rain here now around 2 inches.
33.2 moderate rain
Rain here now
BB tweet
@BarryWBZ: Tough Call Tomorrow… Will The Surge Of Warmth In The Mid-Atlantic Bust In New England? 50s Not A Slam Dunk! http://t.co/WI1A4JEK1z
I like Barry – he’s also an excellent met – but I think he knows better than to call tomorrow’s temperature forecast a `tough call.’ These systems almost always produce considerable `warmth,’ obviously aloft but also eventually at the surface. And, there’s very little if any snow cover to `hold it back.’ SE wind is SE wind is SE wind. It’s relatively warm, over ocean waters that have not nearly cooled to their minimum. We will definitely hit the 50s in Boston tomorrow. I would not at all be surprised by 60. If not Boston, then in places like Hingham and further down the coast. If this doesn’t verify, I’ll apologize for being bold in my prediction. Given the recent cold it will feel quite balmy.
20-9 ravens 3rd quarter not good. I Don’t want them coming here I don’t like that matchup at all not good. Come on pit get with it.
In 4th now.
Although doesn’t look it tonight ravens have not had a typical ravens year.
I said it earlier these Ravens are not the Ravens of the past.
Still dangerous in my opinion Vicki. Hope all is well.
Any team in the NFL can be dangerous at any time.
Agree Keith but we don’t have good luck against Baltimore corect . So you guys saying there not the usual Baltimore what comes to mind is the Yankees playing mediocre and how many times they get to the playoffs and than bring there A game. Hope thats
Then you worry about any team we play. Ravens no different.
Bingo! π
Finally raining in Woburn…can feel it getting warm. I like.
Been steady rain here for a while
Rain here but just went out and trees and rocks very much glazed with ice accretion. Hope warmer air arrives soon.
This Ravens team knows how to win on the road in the playoffs. Yest there are not the Ravens of old but they should not be taken lightly.
Agreed. They always worry me.
Why? We have beat them when they were better 8 of the last 11 games. Miami would worry me more. π
This is far from the Superbowl Ravens team. I am not remotely worried about them at all. No one will be a well rested Pats at home in December. Arizona or bust!
I agree although no team at this level should be taken lightly as JJ said.
JJ, good luck to your Cowboys tomorrow. Should be a good game.
Had to go to a family party in Duxbury and the roads were a bit slick driving home around 8:30. It was pretty while it lasted.
Glad you are home safely.
It looks like Ravens for next Saturday…UGH! π
Why is everyone worried about the Ravens? They aren’t that good and are NOT the same team years ago. We have beat them 8 of 11 times.
If bell were playing I’d be a whole lot more worried about us eventually facing Pittsburgh
because they are doing exactly what they did the last time they beat us in the afc championship. Barely making the playoffs, going on the road from day one and winning it all.
Different team Matt…not as strong but then again on any given Sunday…difference here I’m not going to worry about it.
thats what they were saying before the afc championship
The Sky is Falling…The Sky is Falling..OMG we can’t beat the Ravens..
Look they might not win next Sunday but it won’t be due to the fact “They Can’t Beat the Ravens”. That’s silly. If don’t win it’s cause they didn’t play well enough to win.
Also…I seem to recall that they were missing a certain Tight End and that Welker had a few drops…. But then again those issues screw up your theory.
I don’t buy into this notion that we have to respect this team or that team or don’t underestimate them. The Ravens are a bunch of crooks who will be sent home next week down by at least 20.
Like the way you think π
agreed π
the steelers had one darn job and that was to beat the dirty birds called the ravens. I did not want to see the patriots have to play the ravens in the divisional round. We all know what happened last time. I also thought the steelers would have been the only team out of the colts/bengals and steelers to beat denver at denver. Patriots never play good against the ravens but seems to have had the colts number ever since peyton left. and the bengals are the bengals. The bengals could have a chance against denver. colts no way. Cowboys could be able to beat the hawks at the hawks but i do not think the packers are able to.
All of these games are unpredictable which is why they play them.
There will be no fear in the Pats locker room regardless of the opponent. They will feel they can beat any team that comes here, and they will probably prove that next Saturday. But we’ll find out when they play the game. π
Last time has no bearing on this time. Different teams, different season, only the team names and logos are the same.
Perfect
No real surprises with this storm. If anything, minor forecast errors which included the snow starting an hour or 2 earlier than anticipated in some locations, and a few tenths of an inch of snow more in a few areas than I would have thought, but once again we saw the weakness of the short-range rapid-refresh models which continue to over-forecast snow amounts in marginal situations. Clearly, work needs to be done on these forecast models. Once again, this is where the use of meteorology comes into play. Most of us did this, and came up with reasonably accurate snowfall totals. That was the goal and it was achieved with relatively minor and limited error.
And now we move on through the rest of this event which has transitioned to a mild and wet one with cold air only trapped in deeper valleys. Most areas go into the 50s today. Cold front sweeps everything offshore tonight. A much colder week coming up. Tuesday night system looks cold and progressive, but should be enough to put down light snowfall amounts in much of the area. We’ll talk about numbers on this by early Monday as there are still a couple of possibilities with this system’s evolution that need analysis. What is more certain is the blast of cold air that follows that system. Finally able to tap some Arctic air and pull it into the Northeast Wednesday and Thursday with a secondary push Friday night and Saturday. The second push may be accompanied by snow showers / snow squalls on Friday at some point.
Beyond next weekend, signs of a warm-up and a milder storm in the January 12-16 time period.
Blog is updated!
But you told me a few days ago these systems can start earlier so you were, in fact, right on top of that TK. And thanks to your saying that daughter rescheduled party time and we were all home before snow began!!
Well from a straight forecast standpoint it was early. But I knew that error was entirely possible. I’ve seen these things come in fast many times. I’m just happy it worked out for you all!! π
We are too. Thanks again π