9:38AM
DAYS 1-5 (MARCH 10-14)
Low pressure offshore and high pressure trying to build in from the west results in a dry day but with a chilly wind and some clouds and even a few snow showers today. more sunshine and less wind Sunday with high pressure more in control. We’ve been watching the storm threat for early next week for quite some time and the current thought process is that the main storm will pass well offshore to the southeast late Monday night and Tuesday while a northern jet stream system and a connection between that and the offshore storm will be enough to produce some snow here, though not a big storm. Will detail the snow chances and eventually amounts as it gets closer. A combined larger storm offshore by Wednesday means a chilly northerly flow and upper level energy will still trigger the chance of snow showers.
TODAY: Variably cloudy. A few passing snow showers possible. Highs 36-43. Wind NW 10-20 MPH with higher gusts.
TONIGHT: Mostly clear. Lows 20-28. NW to N 5-15 MPH.
SUNDAY: Mostly sunny. Highs 38-45. Wind N 5-15 MPH.
SUNDAY NIGHT: Partly cloudy. Lows 22-30. Wind light N.
MONDAY: Mostly cloudy. Highs 35-42. Wind light NE.
TUESDAY: Cloudy. Chance of snow. Lows from the middle to upper 20s. Highs in the 30s.
WEDNESDAY: Variably cloudy. Chance of snow showers. Windy. Lows in the upper 20s. Highs in the upper 30s.
DAYS 6-10 (MARCH 15-19)
Upper level low pressure and offshore surface low pressure hangs on with additional wind, cold, and snow showers March 15. Pattern starts to progress with the next system bringing clouds and a threat of light precipitation March 16 and a shot of mix/snow for part of March 17, depending on its track, before wind/cold arrives March 18. Next system brings rain/snow threat March 19.
DAYS 11-15 (MARCH 20-24)
Progressive pattern but still active with another storm threat by late in the period.
Good morning and thank you TK.
Re-Post if you don’t mind:
JpDave says:
March 10, 2018 at 8:20 AM
Good morning. NWS has NOT written off the next event.
Part of the NWS discussion Concerning Monday night/Tuesday:
Discussion…
For this time period, the primary focus is on how close a
coastal/ocean storm will pass southeast of New England. There are at
least two sources of energy at play with this scenario. One is a
southern stream shortwave, and the other is a strong short wave
trough dropping south in an amplified northern stream. The key
question would appear to be whether the surface system that develops
off the east coast in association with the southern stream
short wave outruns or becomes captured by the northern stream
upper trough. The consensus of models and their ensembles would
suggest at least a glancing blow for southeast New England, but
there is modest spread among individual models and considerable
spread with their ensembles. Both the 00Z GFS and 00Z ECMWF have
some ensemble runs that keep the surface center quite far
offshore and other ensemble runs that would equate to a big
impact for snow and wind across much of southern New England
with a deep (sub 980 mb) surface centers passing near or even
slightly inside of the benchmark. There seems to be a trend of
the consensus at least modestly toward the west and suggestive
of greater interaction between the southern and northern
systems. In short, confidence on the surface low track for
Monday night and Tuesday remains below average given the spread
in ensembles. A look at the 500 mb pattern may be more revealing
as it suggests the northern stream short wave trough will be
quite strong and by itself produce upper level difluence over
the area late Monday night into Tuesday with consequent lift
across the area.
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JpDave says:
March 10, 2018 at 8:33 AM
Here are some Euro charts for Tuesday Afternoon at 18Z (normally 1PM, but with DST 2PM. I believe for this run it still would be 1PM)
https://imgur.com/a/zZdah
The surface shows precipitation well NW of low center
The 700MB Heights shows a norlun-like feature at that level. LIke a 700mb inverted trough.
The 500 mb vorticity chart shows the spin in the atmosphere at that level.
Synoptic scale vorticity is analyzed and plotted on the 500-mb chart. Vorticity is a clockwise or counterclockwise spin in the troposphere. 500-mb vorticity is also termed vertical vorticity (the spin is in relation to a vertical axis). This vorticity is caused by troughs and ridges and other embedded waves or height centers (speed .
The 500mb Vorticity Advection leads to rising/falling pressures at the surface. Vorticity is the localized rotation of the air. Air that rotates counterclockwise, such as in … More specifically, vorticity advection is indicative of rising motion/falling pressures at the surface.
I think this shows what the NWS meant when they said: ” A look at the 500 mb pattern may be more revealing
as it suggests the northern stream short wave trough will be
quite strong and by itself produce upper level difluence over
the area late Monday night into Tuesday with consequent lift
across the area.”
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So what you’re saying is: we still don’t know anything lol
Absolutely not!
What that is saying is it WILL SNOW!
At the very least from the 500mb feature and perhaps even
from the main event. Either way, we get snow, it’s just a mattter
of how much.
NAM has a freakin BOMB!!!
http://www.instantweathermaps.com/NAM-php/conusncep.php?run=2018031012&var=PCPPRSTMP_2m&hour=072
Well we’re headed in the right direction. Question is can it be pulled west more
Even with this track we’re looking at about 6 inches give or take
and we have to factor in the sun angle as it now appears most
will fall during daylight hours of Tuesday.
The ULL to the west boots it.
In play still though
The whole 500 mb configuration is weird.
As TK said above the interaction between the 2 upper lows etc.
This could end up being MORE than modeled. We need
to watch this one.
Now watch the GFS and EURO march it straight out to sea. 😀 😀
Need a 100 mile yank west
Be careful what you are wishing, it might run up the Hudson!
Here is the 12Z NAM Kuchera Snow from Pivotal Weather:
http://maps1.pivotalweather.com/maps/models/nam/2018031012/084/snku_acc.us_ne.png
Please note:
1. This is not complete as this run still has it snowing at the end of the run
2. Most of this falls during the daylight hours on Tuesday, so that will cut into the accumulation. It depends on intensity. So if map shows 6 inches, figure maybe 4 etc.
We’ll have to see.
3. This represents a significant change. Shows more phases for a closer pass. What will the other models show? Will the NAM be on an Island or lead the way to a new solution?
Although apparently, not much left at all. That map is pretty much it.
Surface and precip at 84 hours
http://maps1.pivotalweather.com/maps/models/nam/2018031012/084/refcmp_ptype.us_ne.png
So right now what is the timeline if such an event materializes? Early tuesday morning throughout the day tuesday?
Approximately 4-5 AM or so with this run. Your hours may differ run-to-run and model-to-model.
Lovely ……. 🙂 🙂 🙂
Thanks TK !
So many days in a row lately with cloudiness ….
Sun’s out now and it is strong …..
So what happened to that St. Patrick’s Day warmup for next weekend? Has it been put off until May?
Your comment had me laughing out loud. I enjoy dry humor a ton…..Mac was great at it.
Thanks Vicki! 🙂
Thank you, TK.
Great information.
As I’ve said before, March 13 is another day that is familiar with storms, including the one (about 10-12 inches) when my son was born in 1984.
Tom……I am so happy to hear you have sun. It has been a really long haul for your area. I, for one and I suspect I am not alone, am hoping that we have no impact from Tuesday’s storm.
Thanks Vicki.
I think that’s the general feeling down here re : next storm.
Now that I think about it, probably the Merrimack valley too (except our friend Matt), because many towns and cities up there took a beating and are a few days into not having power too.
Haverhill was featured on the news last night.
The mayor was ripping the power company, National Grid I believe.
I believe so ….
I get his reaction, at the same time, that’s a large area that was affected and these weren’t simple outages with easy fixes.
I feel awful for the guy that seems to have run his generators inside his house and lost his life to carbon monoxide poisoning.
Yes, feel for him, but at the same time
how cold anyone be so STUPID as to
run a generator inside the house!!
His stupidity cost him his life. So Sad
as it was a needless and very preventable loss.
I can’t fathom it at all.
Yeah …. if anything positive can come out of it, it’s a continued public service announcement to make sure the exhaust is properly vented outside !!! And if there’s any question at all if that’s happening, then don’t run one.
I will never run a generator because I am kind of clueless when it comes to properly setting it up.
And where the bleep was the CO2 detector??????
There is a ton that goes into restoring power. I’m not sure why some folks this they just wave a magic wand. In addition to needing to wait for replacement equipment, is there are any spills, environmental tests need performing.
That said, utilities have stretched preventive testing further apart in the name of the bottom line and that’s on them.
As far as human error, there was enough warning to prepare. Had we lost power storm before this, I would not have been prepared. No idea what I was thinking but that would have been on me. (Thanks Sue for reminding me to prepare for this one)
Politicians bloviating drive me nuts. I have no idea if I used that word correctly but I liked the sound 🙂 🙂 🙂
We actually loss our power as our neibor who would notcut down a very old dying oak tree properly, it took 7 inches
Hope you get your power back soon.
got it back the day after, Luckily it happened at 7pm and it was back on in the morning. neighborhood snowball fight came to be like old times with some NEW younger guns 🙂
FWIW, the 12Z ICON rips it out to sea.
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/icon/2018031012/icon_mslp_pcpn_frzn_us_21.png
Still may be some interaction a bit later in the run, but it’s essentially a miss.
And Uncle Gfsy has left the starting gate.
🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
So far the GFS 500mb seems more amped than the NAM did, BUT
gfs surface feature starts a bit more off shore.
Do you all still have deep snow cover ?
Our side of town received 1.5 to 2 inches of wet snow from the departing comma head. That quickly melted that afternoon.
On the west side of town, they had closer to 3 to 3.5 inches of snow and they still have 50 to 60% snow cover of about 1-2 inches.
Plenty of snow left. 😀
Bare areas appearing now.
This kind of looks like phasing to me, unless I just don’t get.
http://www.instantweathermaps.com/GFS-php/conusncep.php?run=2018031012&var=VRTHGTGRD_500mb&hour=060
Someone in the interior mid-Atlantic may end up with a decent, very late season, snowstorm.
GFS farther North than NAM so far.
For sure !
Oh my goodness, GFS is going to be a big hit!
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs®ion=us&pkg=mslp_pcpn_frzn&runtime=2018031012&fh=66
Then it takes a wide east turn after that frame lol. But nonetheless. Much closer
Crap, I have to leave and run some errands before lunch. I hate leaving this.
I’d say that the GFS is on board with at least a similar hit to NAM, if not a tad more.
Later.
What will the Euor say?
I hope it says that the American models are out of their minds !!!
974mb bomb southeast of the benchmark. Blizzard for Cape and islands!
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs®ion=us&pkg=mslp_pcpn_frzn&runtime=2018031012&fh=72
75 miles NW shift more and boom
For snowfall, if the airmass is marginal, more of this storm will be taking place in the daylight then the nighttime. So, in the coming 48 hrs, if something like this were to verify, I think we would have to incorporate that into our accumulation projections.
Now down to 969mb east of Cape Cod! Even with the offshore track, a big hit for eastern MA and sizable hit for all of the rest of SNE. Northern stream interaction will help.
East coast mass high tides Tuesday ….
9:15 am (9.2 ft)
9:50 pm (8.5 ft)
Plenty more room to accept a storm surge, thankfully.
12z GFS Pivotal Kuchera Snow:
http://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?m=gfs&p=snku_acc&rh=2018031012&fh=102&r=us_ne&dpdt=
On to the Euro …..
Man I guess it’s too much to ask to see the sun again…snowing in Woburn.
on and off here as well.
There wasn’t much sun expected today, and the snow showers were. 🙂
Saw a few flakes briefly.
My phone app doesn’t lie haha
I thought I read either on this blog or someplace else that much of Europe have their wiring underground. If this is correct, it may be time for this country to do the same.
Many countries are underground for the most part, there are exceptions. it does improve the quality of the scenery thats for sure.
3 days out, early thoughts are light to moderate snowfall for most, potentially major snowfall for parts of southeastern MA, RI, CT.
No #’s until tomorrow.
Let me guess…Logan adds a bit more to its snowfall total. 😉
They will get up to 9 additional inches before the “snow season” is over.
Wonderful ………
cmc on board with decent hit as welk. 3 for 3 so far. ukie and euro next up.
I want February weather back. TKs 15 day outlook doesn’t look good for any type of spring weather. Typical though. March weather usually blows chunks.
what people call spring weather does not come till April, it will come with the warm temperatures and the crappy allergies that come with it. I for one hate spring, just because of the allergies. I say skip spring and go into summer
Yes I know. I’ve lived here probably longer than you’ve been alive and I’ve never seen a March that was worth a tinkers damn weather wise. Exception was 2012.
mobile. in w. roxbury. flaking a bit.
looked at ukmet. off shore with perhaps not as much precip. difficilt to tell ss precip only goes out 72 hours. looks like light to moderate.
now the euro. probably ripping out to sea with no phasing whatsoever.
euro will be a key, one way or the other.
here’s hoping if is on board.
Thanks TK! And might I add that for TK to say 3 days out that we have a moderate to major snowfall potential….my ears and eyes are open.
If this ends up a hit, I think at least (3) 90F days in April can only be considered fair and equal compensation from Mother Nature. 🙂 🙂 🙂
As long as it isn’t too hot for the kids to be in school. 🙂
IMA model is a decent hit
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=jma®ion=eus&pkg=z500_mslp&runtime=2018031012&fh=72
Jma*
Decent? Are you kidding me? That’s a MONSTER Hit!!
That’s 1.25 inch qpf with is still going strong!!
Here it is at 72 hours. That is all I can get at the moment, but this has precip.
http://grib2.com/jma/CONUS_JMA_1000-500_SLPTHKPRP_72HR.gif
Wow nice!!. I didn’t have access to the qpf map so I underestimated. Is this model ever right? How credible is it?
Right on what freakin’ benchmark. Please make it so!
We may get 1 or 2 anomalously very warm days before March is over. But my March outlook from back in November was not really that good at all. Oh well.
Just flip your Febuary and March forecasts 🙂
CFS 😉
I remember 🙁
But I never believed it really. Only one March ( 2012) I can remember was good. I always assume March weather is going to be this junk. That way I’m not disappointed.
Another month or more.
Meant to add:
Another month or more before we can expect some better weather.
12z Canadian Snowmap at 10:1
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gem®ion=neus&pkg=asnow&runtime=2018031012&fh=120
It’s mayday on the JMA!!
Euro cranking….
12z Euro jumps NW as well with about 0.75″ QPF for Boston.
Game on! Now let’s keep the trend going….
Holy Crap! Massive hit on the 12z GEFS:
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs-ens®ion=us&pkg=lowlocs&runtime=2018031012&fh=72
Ensembles well NW of the operational. Another sign this thing is probably coming closer….
A closer look…
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs-ens®ion=eus&pkg=lowlocs&runtime=2018031012&fh=72
This is a benchmark track with a lot of strong members in there.
12z Euro total QPF is actually closer to 1″ for eastern MA when all is said and done, with the 0.5″ line back to Worcester and the CT/RI line. That’s warning level snows for much of eastern MA and RI:
https://s9.postimg.org/4e4ihh4gv/Capture.jpg
Euro followed the trend NW but is still not as far NW as the GFS…..yet. Very interested to see the EPS.
So what will the provide the cold air with this storm? Besides dynamic cooling if any? There is no high to the north
Plenty of cold air in place for this one. Big trough in the east with the 850mb 0C line all the way down to Georgia and low track well off shore. This one is fact looks like the coldest system of the 3 coastal storms we have had.
Just drove Main Street through upton and hopkinton and 85 hopkinton, and i cannot believe the number of trees down. SIl says framingham is worst he has seen. The sad past is I think this all pales in comparison to the coasts
Need that storm to track a little closer get me on the action. There is time for that to happen.
Btw, did you get your thundersnow?
Euro has joined in with the rest of them, but has it a little more off shore.
Still a heavy light to moderate hit.
Snow map
https://imgur.com/a/zQGu3
So is this shift temporary? OR is it locked in? Or shift even more Westward?
4-6 inches across the area.
Once again that snowmap does not look right at all which is why I posted the QPF map above instead. Weatherbell maps are showing 3-6″ back to the CT River and 6-10″ in eastern MA. I don’t see 1″ QPF equates to 4″ of snow. I supposed the ratios could be that low but this looks like a colder setup. I think the eurowx.com snow algorithm is whacked.
Mark, I agree.
Still waiting for a follow-up email
from the ceo of the site. Last storm, snow map was about 25-30 % low.
looking at the ensembles many are further west and stronger. on the gfs ensembles, 12 of them are around or within the benchmark with Pressure fomr 965 to 978.
Canadian similar with about half of them closer than the operational.
Euro they are still coming in. I will make another one of those maps late afternoon/evening when I get home. Since my last cat passed away back in October, we are getting a new member for the family 🙂
I did not get thundersnow Philip. I was happy with the 13.5 inches of snow I got. The winner in CT Warren CT with 28 inches.
That’s ok Jimmy. Maybe next storm…or next winter. 🙂
I have a proposal for a new forecasting system called the WHW benchmark. When a post approaches 100 comments an alert goes out that a storm is almost definitely going to occur soon. This system will be almost flawless. lmao
’bout right…
Chatting with a colleague. We are liking the idea of a moderate snowstorm in Boston on Tuesday at this point.
I trust your current outlook 100%, but I ain’t’ “liking” it.
🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
By my count, that’s 7 likes from Tom! 🙂
I haven’t seen them yet but reading that the 12z EPS looks similar to the operational run, but juicier. Likely some pretty amped members in there.
Getting flaky again.
12z EPS (Euro Ensemble Mean) Snowmap:
https://www.americanwx.com/bb/uploads/monthly_2018_03/5aa430e21c0ad_index(12).png.084ddbf6bbb2c2a5f8a9065827333766.png
This is a Weatherbell 10:1 snowmap.
Looks like a sizable hit and gets the heavier totals even farther west than the operational.
Link got screwed up….need to copy and paste it into your browser and it will work.
Correction, that is not from Weatherbell, it is from Weathermodels.com (Ryan Maue)
Holy Crap on the 12z EPS Mean!
https://www.americanwx.com/bb/uploads/monthly_2018_03/eps_mslp_lows_eastcoastus_78.png.4255f4be89712e0e2904becbe968ed5b.png
Look at all those members with lows in the 960’s mb range inside the benchmark! Some are even over the Cape!!
About half of these 50 solutions would be a complete crush job for SE MA which would not be good.
Wow! Thanks Mark and JP for the info.
12z EPS Mean Probability of greater than 6″:
https://www.americanwx.com/bb/uploads/monthly_2018_03/BBCE8077-1A7E-4667-8F83-34829DF98E5D.jpeg.295f9ad358211cc3dc9e1d5e55aeecf2.jpeg
Greater than 60% chance of more than 6″ in Boston and 50% chance back into central MA and eastern CT
TK,
Would it be possible to give me any idea of what the weather maybe like around Easter? My family and I are going to the Berkshires that weekend. Does it look warmer or still cold and snowy?
Thanks,
TJ
18z NAM cranking…
At 00z Tuesday it has the low in about the same place off the Outer Banks as the 12z run, about 4mb weaker.
I’m watching as well. Clearly weaker than 12z run. We shall see. Perhaps
it really cranks near our latitude?
15Z SREF ensemble mean snow for Boston: 5.46 inches
Bs winning. 6-4 with 2:30 left. Can sweep the home stand.
NAM at 6Z is 25-50 miles farther West than at 6Z on 12Z run.
500 mb looking MUCH better at 6Z with 18Z run over the 12Z run.
18Z NAM is way West of the 12Z Run byt 50-75 miles at least.
I’m doing the Bernie thing with the 18Z run and the 12Z run for 6 hours later.
I keep switching back and forth. Amazing! Truly amazing.
This run will come in OVER A FOOT Guaranteed.
Bs Final. 7-4.
Can I get a WAM BAM THANK YOU NAM???
I think you just did!
You used that before. Best line ever dropped on WHW!!
Hahaha
Late Tuesday AM, 969mb low with heavy snow all of SNE and full fledged blizzard on the Cape….
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=nam®ion=us&pkg=mslp_pcpn_frzn&runtime=2018031018&fh=69
And this run is still southeast of the Benchmark. If it continues the trend NW, LOOK OUT!!
This run has a foot all the way out to the Berkshires. I’d call it a MAJOR HIT!
and its not really even a direct hit yet! MSLP is still a ways southeast. Sweet Jesus.
J M & J
Here is the Instant Weather Maps Kuchera snow. Mind you still snowing some
at 84 hours, so these could go up just a tad.
http://www.instantweathermaps.com/NAM-php/conussfc.php?run=2018031018&time=PER&var=ASNOWI&hour=084
Pivotal Weather Kuchera Snow
http://maps1.pivotalweather.com/maps/models/nam/2018031018/084/snku_acc.us_ne.png
Surface and precip at hour 84, 6Z Wednesday or about 2 AM
http://maps1.pivotalweather.com/maps/models/nam/2018031018/084/refcmp_ptype.us_ne.png
It’s becoming apparent that more and more of an interaction between the northern and southern streams will be occurring.
What scares me is that the models probably don’t have the full interaction down yet and that today’s increased phasing is a transition to what phasing may take place Monday night and Tuesday.
Translation …. the western shift is likely to continue.
Agree and even with this we have what a 968 mb bomb.
What would be like if things cook more?
sub 960mb? That would be disasterous.
Even with this more off shore run, look at the wind gusts.
Imagine it closer and even more intense????
http://www.instantweathermaps.com/NAM-php/conussfc.php?run=2018031018&time=INSTANT&var=GUSTM&hour=072
So your saying…Bigger hit? Or possible rain along the coast?
BIGGER HIT with more snow and more destructive wind.
Rain on Cape and far South shore if it comes too close.
It would have to shift a long way to get rain to Boston.
I suppose anything is possible.
Thank you. What’s keeping it all snow? Dynamic cooling? I’m not sure I see a high to the north.
Both.
1027 HIGH just North of Maine.
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/nam/2018031018/nam_mslp_pcpn_frzn_namer_22.png
I am guessing if this western shift continues we will start seeing rain for Boston south.
NAM Bam BO Bam, Banana fanna fo fam……..
…NAM!
Hahahaha! Right out of American Horror Asylum. Love it
Does this storm start Monday night or Tuesday? We are still 72hrs our things can change quick.
Early Tuesday AM around 5 or 6 AM. Something like that.
We need one more trend to the west and that’s it. Last thing we need is a coastal hugger or worst inside runner..
Yes, let’s keep it right where it is. We can afford another 25 miles west. No More.
I’m trying to be careful in my choice of words …….. First, I fully agree that the weather does whatever it does no matter what ……
I just want to point out that the past 2 storms have already affected a lot people in a lot of areas in New England. I think a majority of people, when they see the trends in the TV forecasts tonight are going to be disheartened.
I get the excitement for another hit, but I also wonder if there’s a bit of tone deafness in expressing excitement or happiness over this one, especially if it trends closer and maintains the low pressures we are seeing today. This has the potential to be the worst of the 3 and again, the weather will do what it will do, but deep down, do we really want a direct hit from a sub 970 mb system ?
I’m certainly not mad at anyone, but just felt the need to express my viewpoint.
Absolutely we do!
I understand you completely. And part of me agrees 100%, however, part
of me just can’t help it and wants to see another storm. I know, I know. My wife has been giving me a hard time about it already.
I should be careful. Karma will bite me in the ass and drop a tree on the roof
and punch a huge hole in it. I hear you, I hear you.
But, in the end, we can’t control the weather, so we must stay of top of this and do the best we can with the information available to us.
We do NOT need a closer pass. I can’t imagine what those winds would do once again.
Oh, my brain is wired the same way.
I wrote the post above and my weather enthusiasm side of my brain is having the same conflict 🙂
Can totally understand how you feel Tom. I’m excited at the prospect of a lot of snow but can do without the wind and certainly don’t wish destruction upon anyone. I apologize if my posts appear insensitive to those who have been hit hard in the past week. That was not my intent.
On a positive note, I do not think this system will be anywhere near as bad as the first storm. You don’t have the astronomical high tides, track will be farther off shore, and its moving much faster than the storm last week.
I love your enthusiasm !!
It was a general thought and like I said just above, a small part of the weather enthusiast in me wants another storm.
Just another discussion point really.
And Mark…..this is a weather blog. You are supposed to be enthusiastic. We can always move away if it gets difficult.
Tom…….as always you chose your words well. I recall 2015 when I felt the very same way for a different reason. I don’t want another storm. We all know how much I enjoy loss of electricity…..but I didn’t want the last storm. I know wanting and not wanting makes no difference. But I completely understand your comment and my heart aches for so many people who are still facing a disaster.
Some schools are up to 7 snow days already. Looks like Tuesday will be 8. Plus the lost time at work. I suspect Tuesday will be short handed at work again. I’m already behind on several things so another lost day sure won’t do me much good 🙁
I am behind at work too. These storms, and the model watching that precedes them, are killing my productivity.
I don’t waste time model watching. Not that interested. Just have a ton of stuff to do lab work wise and if me and my guys can’t get to work, it puts me further behind. Working from home isn’t an option when you run lab equipment to generate data.
It can be a bad habit, or a good habit, depending on one’s perspective and time available. 😉
I look at almost every run of every model, but most people know my practice there is more like flipping through a catalog or an advertising flyer to see what’s there. The true analysis doesn’t really happen until I feel it’s necessary.
Mark…you have me laughing.
A couple notes about the NAM…
18z (which has some impact but not as great as it once did).
The NAM’s forecast accuracy diminishes rapidly after 48 hours.
The NAM also chugged out astronomical snowfall totals for both previous storms at about the same range which were off by 10 to 36 inches. That’s pretty poor computer forecasting.
I was just about say that this is around the time that Debbie Downer steps in and puts a damper on things……
More like, the realist. None of those NAM numbers really ever verify this far out. And the reason is, the model sucks out there… 😉
I got it…..but, the NAM has a foot for Boston. You don’t think that has a chance of verifying with a storm that potent and closer track?
I think it has a chance of verifying, but as far as model forecasts go, that NAM is still a very untrustable model at this range.
Even computer models can be “right for the wrong reason”.
I’ve seen snowier winters with less school days and work missed. Just seems like a lot of the events this winter have come early mornings on work/school days.
It’s all in the timing. You also had an issue with a whole lot of cancellations this Wednesday, based on weather app forecasts, instead of actual live meteorologists who adamantly expressed that the daytime hours of Wednesday would see just wet roads during school hours. But since the weather apps showed snowflakes, all bets were off.
Yea, my kids school cancelled Wednesday on Tuesday evening. Pretty ridiculous. I actually talked to the principal on Tuesday and told him that I had very reliable weather info the Wed would be fine. Initially he was going to do a half day, but cancelled late Tuesday due to “New information”. Probably his weather app
I can guarantee you it was a weather app.
I hear it everywhere. “But my phone said….” I just can’t get anyone to understand how bad those are.
I’d be rather upset if they were cancelling school because of a weather app. I’d be even more upset if a parent called and asked them to reconsider
The snow had started here and the roads were wet before the elementary bus would have arrived here. We saw how quickly ice forms on the roads a couple of months ago. School doesn’t end with the final bell. It ends when the final student gets off the bus and the driver is safe. There was a fine line. They made the right call.
The difference between this one and that was was quite large though. The temperatures were already below freezing then, and forecast to drop further.
For this event, the temperatures were going to be above freezing into the evening with much much warmer surfaces to start.
It was different for elevated areas in the central parts of the state, but my commentary was geared toward the balance of lower elevations east of there. There are always going to be exceptions, but that’s why these things are done on a city by city or town by town basis.
Did your area cancel, TK?
Should have had school, period. Nobody else canceled. A few had a half day.
And I’m not just any parent. I’m on the school board. When this winter is in the books the board and the principal are going to have a conversation. There’s other reasons he cancelled school which had squat to do with the weather here that I won’t post.
Maybe your kids. I believe most out here had early release. As I said, the temps were dropping when my grandson would have gotten off the bus.
If there are other reasons, then your initial comment was misleading. And probably a weather app??
Pembroke had 2hr delay
3km NAM is even more ridiculous at the end of the run (60 hours out):
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=nam3km®ion=neus&pkg=mslp_pcpn_frzn&runtime=2018031018&fh=60
Even further west with heavy snow back to NYC and Washington.
3KM Gets things started about 6-8 hours earlier then the regular NAM.
What up with that?
It often depicts precipitation that won’t be hitting the ground as precipitation that is.
Thanks
18Z GFS a tad farther to the East,
Way down on snow from 12Z run.
Doesn’t get captured. More runs to go!
18Z Kuchera Snow
http://maps1.pivotalweather.com/maps/models/gfs/2018031018/084/snku_acc.us_ne.png
Onto the next run. Still having trouble with the 2 streams.
18z GFS is not further east, it actually ends up in an almost identical position SE of the benchmark as 12z. It is however about 5mb weaker than 12z.
All you are seeing today with the model runs is how they interact the 2 streams.
Trends are not always correct. So keep that in mind.
That saying “the trend is your friend” is bullshit about 30% of the time, at least.
If/when you look at NWS’s snow forecast maps, keep in mind that we are 3 calendar days away from this. The low ends of 0 and high ends of 11-12 are NORMAL. The “expected” of mainly 3-4 inches reflects their early ideas of a light to moderate event, taking everything into account. That’s really all there is to know at this point.
Anything else is extraneous.
The NWS first cut snow maps TK is referencing…
https://www.weather.gov/box/winter
My grandson is doing a report on CT. Any fun people from CT or highlights off the beaten path are greatly appreciated.
I mean jut very very high level. He loves doing the research. Thank you
Here’s one for you not far from us. Have him look up Roseland Cottage in Woodstock. My younger years were spent in that part of the state. Off the path.
Thank you. I will tell him. Much appreciated
He asked me to thank you. He loves places like that.
Remember this is also march, storms that would be decent hits in January are marginal at best in March in terms of snowfall.
Depends. If it is a light to moderate snowfall during daytime hours then yes, you’re not going to get the accumulation. If the precip intensity is there or the snow occurs during nighttime, it doesn’t matter a whole lot.
GFS says no to early Spring.
Generally cool with 3 more snow/mix threats thru March 26.
To TK:
I appreciate your comment on “the trend is your friend.” It is so over-used. there is a TV met who I respect who uses it over and over again. Ugh!!
There are definitely differences depending on what particular thing you’re trying to forecast, and while the “trend rule” is probably decent greater than half of the time it is by no means automatic.
I heard a TV met yesterday say (regarding the upcoming threat) “I’m thinking 4-6 inches right now, but I’m not going to put down any numbers on this thing yet.” Ah, so 4 and 6 are not numbers. I guess I missed the memo.
lol
Would that met’s initials be PB? 😉
Not saying. 🙂
I’ve elected to leave names out most of the time. 😉
I was watching the Paralymic Games from South Korea today and one of the biathlon skiers described the snow as “mashed-potato-y”. Love it! 🙂
I really like the Paralympic games, I know someone who thought she would never be able to ski again after a drunk trucker struck her car up in NH on her way back home from a ski competition. She now skies with only one leg and kick my back side in a race.
I enjoy the Paralympics also. Matt, what an inspirational story.
Vicki here are some facts on CT I found which I hope help out your grandson.
http://www.ct.gov/deep/cwp/view.asp?A=2688&Q=322362
JJ these are great. He comes downstairs each night to “chat” with nana so we read these together. He was particularly interested in all three types of rocks and the dinosaur tracks. He asked me to say thank you.
That’s a cool list. That 10% forested stat is cool. I sometimes forget that New England was largely stripped of all its trees at one point. Mount monadanock for example has a bare top. And not because it has a treeline but because it never recovered from being deforested back in the day. Erosion from it etc…
I have read the information a couple of times just for me. That also caught my attention.
Vicki I am glad I could help. There were things on that list I didn’t even know and I have lived here in CT all my life. It was fun for me to read.
That makes it doubly special. I always loved kids projects because I learn a ton too!! Thank you again!
Here is the model spread.
https://imgur.com/gallery/Y9HFw
Red represents high impact, sub 970mb low.
Thanks Matt. Nice.
Protip: you can upload stuff on imgur as “hidden” so that it doesn’t show up in random public imgur feeds lol. The last time you made a graphic like this someone commented that you were marking where you buried models at sea. Keeping your posts hidden means you avoid randos like that trying to troll.
thanks lol I was wondering how I could do that lol
21Z SREF 12 hour snow.
http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/sref/gifs/latest/SREF_SNOWFALL_MEAN12HR_f066.gif
Ensemble mean Snow for Boston
21Z: 8.92 inches
FWIW, the SREF wants to bring it reasonably close
http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/sref/gifs/2018031021/SREF_PMSL_MEAN_SD_f069.gif
It is going to be fun to see what numbers the TV mets come up with.
I imagine the fun begins tomorrow, but I am wondering
who dives in tonight. Does anyone know if Barry is on tonight? I really don’t want to watch P.G. Or Wankum either. I loathe them both.
I would assume Barry is on morning duty so whatever the Euro says will be our snow amounts. 😉
I’m not a Waunkum fan either but I prefer him over PG. Hopefully Harvey will carry us for the week as always. 🙂
Last evening Pete mentioned that March could end quite cold. I would be curious how TK feels about that. I was looking forward to mild, dry second half but I guess that is now by the boards?
00z NAM further southeast
Doesn’t get its act together until later and a bit further east. Still a decent hit for eastern areas but nothing like 18z.
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=nam®ion=us&pkg=mslp_pcpn_frzn&runtime=2018031100&fh=60
00z NAM snow:
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=namconus®ion=neus&pkg=asnow&runtime=2018031100&fh=84
3km NAM once again is much farther west and a big hit:
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=nam3km®ion=neus&pkg=mslp_pcpn_frzn&runtime=2018031100&fh=60
0z GFS smokes eastern MA:
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs®ion=us&pkg=mslp_pcpn_frzn&runtime=2018031100&fh=66
Snowmap:
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs®ion=neus&pkg=asnow&runtime=2018031100&fh=108
00z RPM, RGEM, and GGEM also solid hits.
Short is the NAM, good 00z suite so far. We’ll see if the Euro stays the course…
*Short “of” the NAM
Thanks for doing jpdave duties. lmao
Lol, where the F is he tonight? This is hard work. And I’ve had 5 glasses of wine!
My wife has been ill. Was playing cards with her and then we watched a movie. I don’t dump her
for the weather.
But I am here. I see all of what you have posted.
Jury is still out. Beware of the 3km NAM.
😀
Smart decision! I hope she is feeling better.
0Z UKMENT is a decent hot for Eastern Sections with about 1 inch qpf.
http://img.meteocentre.com/models/ukmet_amer_qc_00/P1_GZ_D5_PN_060_0000.gif
http://img.meteocentre.com/models/ukmet_amer_qc_00/P1_GZ_D5_PN_072_0000.gif
http://img.meteocentre.com/models/ukmet_amer_qc_00/accum/PA_000-072_0000.gif
UKMET United Kingdom METeorological Agency
HAHA good one!
No, the milder/drier period for later March is not “by the boards”, it is still a valid possibility. When TV guys say “the rest of the month” regarding things, it’s in reaction to one GFS run they see before a broadcast, not really any serious medium range forecasting. I’ve been around long enough to pick that out with no issue whatsoever. It’s a common practice in TV media these days.
Same guys called an end to the snow season in late February when the GFS had mild weather and no snow for the area for the first 15 days of March. Oops.
Someday these folks will learn what not to do … maybe.
00z Euro stays the course. 1”+ QPF for Boston and 0.5” back to Hartford
https://www.americanwx.com/bb/uploads/monthly_2018_03/5aa4cac6925a4_index(16).png.c4eea498017f0e9e21dff9f6e68ffe97.png
https://www.americanwx.com/bb/uploads/monthly_2018_03/5aa4cac6925a4_index(16).png.c4eea498017f0e9e21dff9f6e68ffe97.png
Sorry link not working. Trust me 🙂
00z Euro Snowmap:
https://s14.postimg.org/tralkb3nl/269_AB014-_F25_E-4266-_BBAC-_DE132_BB235_C5.png
euro operational is weaker than half of its ensembles.
25 out of 50 show a storm within the benchmark, with sub 970mbs
22 out of 50 shows a storm outside the benchmark, with around 970 and below. Decent hit on many of them.
2 over 975 outside bench mark.
gfs 7 members inside or on Benchmark sub 970.
5 members inside or on bench mark 970 to 980
the rest are outside the bench mark around 970.
Canadian of what I can see
17 members within or around Benchmark sub 975mb
7 members outside bench mark
I am not going to be able to post those maps like I been doing as I am heading on up to Loon MTN 😀 for the first family trip to the MTN since the 2016 season. been skiing with all of them, but first time since then that everyone is going at the same time 🙂
WSWatches posted!
Get that storm to move a little further west. I am really on the western edge now with 2-3 inches for my area.
I think if you got into the same amounts expected here in Boston, I would end up with snow to rain, and perhaps a lot of it. Not sure of course.
Otherwise I have no problem sharing the wealth. 🙂
It’s your turn with this one. I was happy to say a one of these Nor’easter’s gave me a good snowfall. I can’t be greedy.
Someone at WHW forgot to set their clock. 😉
It has to be done manually, which I do sometime before the update…
No problem TK! Just joking more than anything else. 🙂
JPD I am upset to learn that Mrs OS is still ill. It’s been a long time. Not sure why but so many have had what normally lasts a week-ish last weeks to months this year. Please tell her we are all hoping she is better soon.
We’re not sure what is going on. She had a CAT scan that confirmed a stubborn kidney stone that just wouldn’t move. It has moved now, reducing the pain, but
she is still sick. Scary thing, her doc said the Stone could be contributing to her
symptoms, whatever that means.
Thank you.
Hope she gets better
Get well wishes for Mrs. OS!!
Today’s update will take place during the early part of the 10AM hour. Out with mom for a bit. 🙂
Have fun!!
Good morning…
Can someone give a time of when snow might breakout in the Taunton area Monday night?
Monday night 6 pm? Midnight? Early Tuesday morning?
Feel better real soon, Mrs. OS!
Thanks, amigos…
Tuesday morning, my youngest brother is enjoying the snow days as he is a senior
Good for him. Do I recall you didn’t have snowdays as a senior
I was thinking about the comment by blackstone (IIRC) that we have had a lot of snow days considering the snow amounts are not astronomical. I know several of us have said we have had days where we may have set records for the last amount of snow in the longest period of time. Interesting that, even with lower snow amounts and the largest accumulation here on a weekend, the storms have timed themselves so that schools have had to cancel.
First snowfall maps for potential Tuesday storm (Weather Wisdom, ch. 5,7,10,NWS)
https://i.imgur.com/1MMjSzg.jpg
Thanks again Dr. S! I suspect TK’s numbers will be similar as well.
We will see. Maybe TK will predict two feet just to shake things up.
I think Tk’s will be lower. More like 3-6 or 4-8, imho. 😀
He tends to be conservative starting out and adjusts as needed.
Based on what I have seen this morning and adjusting
for Sun Angle, my early early call would be 6-10, again subject to
adjustments as needed.
Thank you, your royal highness
*bows regally*
🙂
Bummer about MOS. Hope she get better.
Agreed. <3
Here is the latest 9Z Sref best 12 hour snow.
http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/sref/gifs/2018031109/SREF_SNOWFALL_MEAN12HR_f054.gif
Ensemble mean for Boston: 14.02 inches
Thanks all for your well wishes for Mrs. OS. Been a rough stretch for her.
One thing I loathe about DST is that model runs now are one hour later. Boo
NWS latest snow map
https://www.weather.gov/images/box/winter/StormTotalSnowWeb1.png
Winter Storm Watch map
https://www.weather.gov/box/
Detail
https://forecast.weather.gov/wwamap/wwatxtget.php?cwa=box&wwa=winter%20storm%20watch
Interesting…their map shows 8 inches for Boston, but the watch says 4-8 inches.
12Z NAM is percolating…..
What will it cook up?
Marc,
re: Americanwx.com links
Sometimes these subscription sites don’t allow direct links. Perhaps it is another issue, I don’t know.
maybe you should try what you do with our convective development subscription site.
Save a copy of the image and use Imgur.com to obtain the link. Just a thought.
They work 90% of the time but for whatever reason when I try to post them from my phone, it’s hit or miss and the link breaks or has to be copied into the browser. Perhaps it’s a word press issue.
Could be. I always have trouble posting from my phone.
Outstanding effort though and it is much appreciated.
6-10 for Boston down through the south shore is that correct . Do we have a start and finish time very big appointment in Boston at 10 Wednesday . Also is it heavy
Late tomorrow night into Tuesday afternoon. The snow will not be as heavy as last storm. Temp profiles are colder. Snow ratios will range from 10:1 south shore to 15:1 to the north and west of Boston.
12z NAM is going to be a big hit, at least for eastern MA and RI
12Z NAM back at it again with a very big hit.
Crushed
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=nam®ion=us&pkg=mslp_pcpn_frzn&runtime=2018031112&fh=48
968mb
http://maps1.pivotalweather.com/maps/models/nam/2018031112/051/refcmp_ptype.us_ne.png
Totals approaching 20 inches!!!
The NAM is a MEGA Hit!!!
This might be starting to line up.
25-50 more miles please…
You don’t it. You’re there. I am seeing 19 inches for Holden and
it’s not quite done. May add an inch or 2.
You don’t need it.
I need it west another 30 miles or so although I’ll take my 10” and run with it. Perhaps I could get in on one of those outer deformation bands if that track verified
I’m looking for 25 more miles for insurance for this not to get booted. It’s so close when you look at the 500mb. Give me one more big storm then let spring come on in.
No, then it might rain here.
You’re not happy with 18-20 inches
out your way?
thrilled. hope this holds.
One more frame and then final snow maps. Final total near 2 feet.
Final NAM Kuchera Snow from Instant Weather maps:
http://www.instantweathermaps.com/NAM-php/conussfc.php?run=2018031112&time=PER&var=ASNOWI&hour=066
From Pivotal Weather
http://maps1.pivotalweather.com/maps/models/nam/2018031112/063/snku_acc.us_ne.png
Just for fun, Pivotal 10:1 snow
http://maps1.pivotalweather.com/maps/models/nam/2018031112/063/sn10_acc.us_ne.png
Now we’re onto the GFS with the CMC tagging along.
Then Ukmet
Then Euro, which we don’t see until 2:30 to 3PM.
Damn DST!
New post!
No, I don’t buy the NAM’s steroid-induced forecast either.
NAM always seems to do one of these insane prolific runs around 36 hours out. That said, it’s snow projection last storm wasn’t half bad. If anything, it was low on some of the totals that verified in NJ and western New England